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Post by double28 on Mar 16, 2024 8:22:36 GMT -5
Hello guys, long time member, first time poster.
My home state recently banned optics and I got some new open sights. I’d like to spend some time getting more comfortable with them.
I can only shoot black powder and substitute. I hunt with BH 209 but it’s currently priced like gold. Too exepensive for me to do target shooting.
Some friends have suggested sighting in/practicing with 4198.
I’m looking to get some basic load data so I can try to get close to my BH 209 performance.
Gun: Hankins .45 26” Brux barrel
BH209 Charge: 120 grains by weight
Bullet: Pittman AeroMax 325
Velocity: 2520 @ 7000’ 70° 27% humidity
Anything would help, just want to shoot more and feel more comfortable with shooting open sights.
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Post by smokelessk on Mar 16, 2024 8:31:48 GMT -5
4198 is a "substitute" for black powder. That is how I view it anyway. Should I ever live in a state with such requirements I wouldn't be paying for BH or using pyrodex. If someone can identify the chemical composition of the propellant in my powder tubes, by visual observation, then I might consider paying the price for BH. But, that's my opinion.
They dye "off road" diesel red to prevent it from being used on road. Maybe they should decide to dye BH red too, if it's that big of a deal.
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Post by Kyle on Mar 16, 2024 13:08:00 GMT -5
Hello guys, long time member, first time poster. My home state recently banned optics and I got some new open sights. I’d like to spend some time getting more comfortable with them. I can only shoot black powder and substitute. I hunt with BH 209 but it’s currently priced like gold. Too exepensive for me to do target shooting. Some friends have suggested sighting in/practicing with 4198. I’m looking to get some basic load data so I can try to get close to my BH 209 performance. Gun: Hankins .45 26” Brux barrel BH209 Charge: 120 grains by weight Bullet: Pittman AeroMax 325 Velocity: 2520 @ 7000’ 70° 27% humidity Anything would help, just want to shoot more and feel more comfortable with shooting open sights. Does your barrel have a 1.250” shank for 5” or is your barrel setup as a prefit with a nut? |
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Post by double28 on Mar 17, 2024 9:45:07 GMT -5
Hello guys, long time member, first time poster. My home state recently banned optics and I got some new open sights. I’d like to spend some time getting more comfortable with them. I can only shoot black powder and substitute. I hunt with BH 209 but it’s currently priced like gold. Too exepensive for me to do target shooting. Some friends have suggested sighting in/practicing with 4198. I’m looking to get some basic load data so I can try to get close to my BH 209 performance. Gun: Hankins .45 26” Brux barrel BH209 Charge: 120 grains by weight Bullet: Pittman AeroMax 325 Velocity: 2520 @ 7000’ 70° 27% humidity Anything would help, just want to shoot more and feel more comfortable with shooting open sights. Does your barrel have a 1.250” shank for 5” or is your barrel setup as a prefit with a nut? Yes it’s 1.250” for 5”. It’s on a Remington 700 action and Hankins built it for me. |
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Post by Kyle on Mar 17, 2024 11:39:20 GMT -5
I’d say somewhere in the neighborhood of 67.5 grains should get you the velocity you are looking for. Keep a chronograph handy to adjust the load. Harmonics will be different between the two powders, so just having the same muzzle velocity won’t guarantee the same zero.
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Post by thumbhole on Mar 23, 2024 13:09:52 GMT -5
I'd be shooting smokeless anyway regardless. You are not going to be forced to show anyone the powder you have under your bullet and just carry a few tubes of Blackhorn in your pocket in case the "man" wants to see. Back in the 90's we couldn't use the aid of telescopic sights in the muzzleloader season but could use them in the regular gun season. I used my muzzleloader in both seasons with detachable scope mounts that could be removed in a few seconds.
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Post by encore50a on Mar 23, 2024 16:53:43 GMT -5
As far as using SML in states where it's banned during the dedicated muzzleloader season, in MI the officers are pretty smart. They see that complete custom rifle and the lights come on. If you get caught using smokeless during the dedicated muzzleloader season, they'll seize your rifle. You'll get it back after court and you pay your fine.
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Post by ballistic on Mar 27, 2024 6:37:08 GMT -5
The Op asked a viable question. Blackhorn 209 is going for $110 per 8 oz container. That will get you (29 shots at 120 grains) or $3.80 per shot. To make it even worse lot to lot is not consistent so you better stock up. This is hard to do when stores set limits of 1 container.
My advice -Get your zeros and speeds that are close with 4198 -but use the blackhorn to keep yourself legal.
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Post by double28 on Mar 27, 2024 22:17:52 GMT -5
The Op asked a viable question. Blackhorn 209 is going for $110 per 8 oz container. That will get you (29 shots at 120 grains) or $3.80 per shot. To make it even worse lot to lot is not consistent so you better stock up. This is hard to do when stores set limits of 1 container. My advice -Get your zeros and speeds that are close with 4198 -but use the blackhorn to keep yourself legal. Agree, I don’t mind spending some money on the several hunting shots I take per year. I’m a rule follower, I’ll practice with 4198 and hunt with BH209. |
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Post by yoderjac on Mar 28, 2024 16:08:51 GMT -5
Makes me glad I'm in a state without a black power equivalent requirement.
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