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Post by buckeye68 on Jul 11, 2023 19:40:50 GMT -5
With shortage of good 22 ammo, gone are the old days of lot testing. By the time they ship ammo to you, you test it, it has all been sold by the time you call them back to buy more of the same lot. I live 7 miles from a Lapua test center. I’ve been there a couple of times before the pandemic and once after. Unfortunately, every time I buy ammo that shoots great in the tunnel, it never shoots the same when you get it home. You have two options of how they test your gun. They will remove your action from your stock and bolt your action in a vice or they will bolt your stock and action together in the vice to test. I prefer the action stay in the stock. Now with a 4-5 month wait period and a limit of one case per visit I decided to find an alternative. I finally found it. I found a store on Saturday that specializes in 22’s and pellet guns that had a good supply of Eley black box in stock. They had 3 lots in the speed that I was looking for and I bought two boxes of each lot. I had to wait for the wind to die down before I could start testing to remove all variables. The gun was cleaned before I started and after each lot test session to give each lot the same condition with the gun. I will be shooting out of a one piece rest. Finally on Sunday the weather turned to the perfect testing condition. After I got setup and got started it was 11pm and I finished up at 1:30am. Yep, my neighbors love me. I decided to test just like I would in a match. I used an IR 50/50 card with possible 250 with 25x’s. Lot A scored a 248 with 12x’s Lot B scored a 249 with 12x’s Lot C scored a 239 with 5x’s I believe both lot A and B is worth buying more of each lot. I called them on Monday morning and they still had the lots that I wanted and bought the remaining ammo. I plan on doing some turner test to see if I can make with lot shoot better. I plan on using lot A for IR 50/50 and ARA matches and lot B for out law matches. Super happy I found them. Just a few picture of my targets.    |
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Post by jimbob on Jul 11, 2023 20:44:49 GMT -5
Do they have Lapua ammo as well
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Post by buckeye68 on Jul 11, 2023 22:28:07 GMT -5
It’s all Eley. I still have a nice supply of Lapua that I use in one gun but I’m really liking Eley over Lapua. It a lot cleaner.
If you look at my sighters you can see that I only shoot 5-6 sighter to foul the barrel and make any scope adjustments before I go to my score targets. I held the same point of aim for all three cards.
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Post by buckeye68 on Jul 23, 2023 8:38:05 GMT -5
Saturday I shot a 4 card match with the 1073 speed (lot A) and out of 250 total score for each card I shot a 249, 250, 248 and a 250. All 4 cards was shot over wind flags at 50 yards. Very happy with this new ammo. Next match I’ll try the 1053 (lot B) next to see how it shoots.
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Post by mike on Jul 23, 2023 9:24:30 GMT -5
Saturday I shot a 4 card match with the 1073 speed (lot A) and out of 250 total score for each card I shot a 249, 250, 248 and a 250. All 4 cards was shot over wind flags at 50 yards. Very happy with this new ammo. Next match I’ll try the 1053 (lot B) next to see how it shoots. Sounds like you have your gun, ammo and trigger finger pretty well dialed in, Mark. I presume you won the match dropping only 3 points out of 1000! Is the Eley ammo you are using the "Match" ammo? Have you tried the top of the line Tenex with the speed your guns like? I've tried them all, in many different velocities, and both of my guns, with match chambers, still spit out plenty of fliers... guess I need a brand new rifle! OK, OK, maybe it's my trigger pulling. I get so aggravated when my reticle dot is rock-solid on the bullseye dot and after touching off the 12 ounce trigger I watch the silver Eley bullet sail downrange and like a perfectly pitched curve-ball strike the target nowhere near my POA, 1/8" to 1/2" off center. OK, probably still good enough for head shots on grey squirrels. haha |
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Post by buckeye68 on Jul 23, 2023 14:05:07 GMT -5
Here is what I use. $14 to 14.50 a box.  |
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Post by buckeye68 on Jul 23, 2023 14:31:06 GMT -5
I personally will not shoot a $24 box of 22 ammo. I’ve been at the test center and they asked me if I want to try some of the high dollar ammo and I told them don’t waste you time trying because I’m not spending that kind of money on a case of ammo. I have limits and that one of them. Just not worth it to me.
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Post by mike on Jul 23, 2023 20:10:37 GMT -5
I personally will not shoot a $24 box of 22 ammo. I’ve been at the test center and they asked me if I want to try some of the high dollar ammo and I told them don’t waste you time trying because I’m not spending that kind of money on a case of ammo. I have limits and that one of them. Just not worth it to me. Yes, all ammo and component prices continue to escalate, but high end 22lr is disproportionately more expensive for what it is. |
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Post by mike on Jul 23, 2023 20:14:31 GMT -5
By the way, Mark, a couple months ago I bought Eley Match from Killoughs for, I believe, $19.50 a box. Where do you get your ammo, very good price, is it an online source? Thanks
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Post by buckeye68 on Jul 23, 2023 20:25:59 GMT -5
One place I get is from a guy in WVA. It’s all done by phone. I really like buy from he because they don’t have sales taxis on ammo in the state of WVA.
The second place I get it is from a LGS about an hour from my home in Ohio.
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Post by buckeye68 on Aug 5, 2023 19:20:10 GMT -5
I shot in another match today using Lot A. It didn’t shot as well as the Lot B I tested but it definitely shootable for ARA or IR50/50. I ended up with a 250, 250, 245 and a 247. The last two relays had lets of switching winds but it was still fun to shoot in.
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Post by Richard on Aug 6, 2023 14:14:44 GMT -5
Mark,I have found lot testing at 100 yards has been very rewarding. I shot 5 shot groups with four different lots of Eley match at at 100 on Tuesday. Then the same lots at 200 yards. I never touched the scope adjustments. I have a piggy back target mounted on top of my regular target (which only has white paper on it). My drop from 100 is 39". The lot that shot a .375" at 100, shot twe group at 200 that went 1.006" and 1.60". Nice and round.
This was shot at 7:00 a.m. with no wind showing on my flags. This lot also showed an ES of 12 fps where the other lots were in the upper teens/low 20's. Thes groups tended to string vertically in the 2" range.
This is a CZ 457/Lilja barrel with 36X Weaver.
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Post by buckeye68 on Aug 6, 2023 22:19:53 GMT -5
I’ll have to try shooting them at 100 yards next time I’m at the range. So far all my testing has been at 33 yards inside my barn then at 50 yards outside at the range with wind flags. Also, I need to start using the lab radar.
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Post by buckeye68 on Aug 6, 2023 22:42:48 GMT -5
I shoot in the pro class and so far I’ve been the over all winner of the last two shoots that I’ve entered, not that means anything. I was 7 points ahead of the factory 22 class on Saturday.
Now the interesting part is all I’ve heard lately is how accurate the PCP guns are. A couple of guys at the club has been try so hard to get my to join the PCP rabbit hole but I keep holding off on taking the plunge.
In the PCP class the 1st place guy was 21 points behind myself on Saturday and was 27 points behind myself in the last match. So….. not so accurate from what I’ve been seeing.
Cheap to shoot but it’s big $$$ to get started in shooting the PCP.
I’m shooting in a IR 50/50 match on Tuesday night in the factory class with the big boys. I will be shooting my 2013 Anschutz. I’ll be lucky to place in the top 10 with this groups of shooters. I’ll try to take a few picture and post them on the boards.
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Post by Richard on Aug 7, 2023 9:08:08 GMT -5
I started my benchrest shooting in the PPC class. I shot some group with the 13 and a half pound gun but most of my competition was in the varmint Hunter class. 10 lb gun with six power scope shooting the PPC cartridge. Two and a half inch wide 4 end as opposed to the 3-in for the bigger guns. I shot in many a match out in Pennsylvania and New York in that class and won my share of them.
The one match I should have won but didn't I shot a 249 but had 18 x out of 25 at 100 yd. This was one of the rifles that I built. I have a good PPC reamer that has a 262 neck. You do have to neck turn with this case. I shot that case with only three 10,000 clearance on either side of the neck. I never had to size it just decapit put a new primer in fill it with powder and put another bullet in. In my test bump gauge I built for it You could actually feel the loaded cartridge going into the neck it actually almost scraped going in. When I sold the gun to a member down here in North Carolina one set of casings had 93 Yes that's 93 reloads on that Lapua brass. He then won several of the egg shoots down here with it and still has it.
My heavy gun was a stol teddy action with a shilling barrel on it. Same reamer.
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