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Post by iowa200 on Aug 11, 2017 18:39:55 GMT -5
Is it possible to have a Hankins Smokeless ML shoot a 275 grain 45 cal. bullet at 2500+FPS using loose Black Horn 209 powder? Not sure what the limit might be using black powder substitute. Hunting in Michigan where they don't allow using smokeless powder in shotgun zone.
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Post by dennis on Aug 11, 2017 18:45:10 GMT -5
Is it possible to have a Hankins Smokeless ML shoot a 275 grain 45 cal. bullet at 2500+FPS using loose Black Horn 209 powder? Not sure what the limit might be using black powder substitute. Hunting in Michigan where they don't allow using smokeless powder in shotgun zone. PM doug136, he shoots blackhorn alot. He may not answer for a couple days as he is at the Ky. Challenge. He had Jeff Hankins build him a ml just for Blackhorn 209. |
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Post by AJ on Aug 11, 2017 20:39:04 GMT -5
I was shooting BH209 with some 350 gr Fury bullets and the best I could do with 105 g by weight is 2360 fps. You might get close to 2500 with a 275 gr, but be ready for some recoil. Might go with a 26-28" barrel to help with the velocity also. Pressure will not be your limiting factor. You will reach a point where you do not burn any more powder and it just blows out on the ground.
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Post by iowa200 on Aug 12, 2017 11:38:40 GMT -5
I figured there had to be a limit on how much powder that would actually burn but not real sure how to determine this. If I get a chronograph and slowly increase the powder, there should come a point where the velocity peaks? Do you think 105g by weight might be the limit? This kind of stuff makes me a little nervous. I am getting a 26in barrel with the HIS.
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Post by elkman1310 on Aug 12, 2017 12:16:36 GMT -5
When I tested BH209 last year it shot very well with 300 gr bullets but velocity was below 2400 fps and that was with heavy loads which I won't post. BH209 is maxed out at 2400 fps why do you want to shot that powder?
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Post by doug136 on Aug 12, 2017 13:07:56 GMT -5
My Hankins will shoot a 275 grain bullet at 2400 fps with 100 grains by weight of Blackhorn 209 . 105 grains was 2450 after 105 grains you will not gain much more velosity and fouling is much worse . I have shot 110 grains but recoil and fouling was terrible . 90 to 100 grains by weight seems to be the sweet spot with a 275 and 300 grain bullet . Just my opionion . You may want to give Bestill ( Jeff Fisk ) a pm . He has shot Blackhorn a lot longer than myself .
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Post by iowa200 on Aug 12, 2017 18:41:25 GMT -5
Thanks so much for all the great advise based on your experiences. I know where I'm going to start with a BH209 load now. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 21:25:45 GMT -5
When I tested BH209 last year it shot very well with 300 gr bullets but velocity was below 2400 fps and that was with heavy loads which I won't post. BH209 is maxed out at 2400 fps why do you want to shot that powder? Because its the only legal propellant they can use in their state....Florida had a nitro-cellulose base restriction for many years,then last year they ommitted that restriction in the regs......Since BH209 is NC based it was not even allowed and I was restricted to 777...... |
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Post by nyhunter on Aug 13, 2017 18:08:08 GMT -5
Yes as most of the fellas have commented you would be OK with pressure however there gets a point were you are not burning all the powder charge in relation to your barrel length.
What I have done is to place a piece of construction (rosin) paper on the ground in front of the gun, as you work up the load you will begin to see the difference in the amount of un-burned powder on the floor after the shot.
Good luck
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Post by cornbread on Aug 13, 2017 18:52:37 GMT -5
The way you talk about putting out paper is the same way old timers done true muzzleloaders. Except they loaded up and shot over snow till unburned powder started showing up! Lol. Sometimes I wonder with all the improvements in today's world if we shouldn't look back and see if our ancestors didn't have it figured out in the first place.
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Post by wolf76 on Aug 28, 2017 19:45:42 GMT -5
Smokeless powder is allowed in MI in the limited firearms zone. Regs say bp or bp substitute. The original bp substitute is smokeless powder. Also shotguns, handguns, and straight wall cartridges all use smokeless powder and are legal in that zone. I use 4759 in my sml and looks like bh209.
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Post by Richard on Aug 28, 2017 20:23:26 GMT -5
Except when it goes "bang" and there is no smoke!  |
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Post by sparkman on Aug 29, 2017 7:17:16 GMT -5
Smokeless powder is allowed in MI in the limited firearms zone. Regs say bp or bp substitute. The original bp substitute is smokeless powder. Also shotguns, handguns, and straight wall cartridges all use smokeless powder and are legal in that zone. I use 4759 in my sml and looks like bh209.[/quo6te] Only during Firearm Deer season..NOT during Muzzleloading Season in Dec. Green Man is onto SMLs in MI... |
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Post by wolf76 on Aug 29, 2017 11:57:50 GMT -5
Smokeless powder is allowed in MI in the limited firearms zone. Regs say bp or bp substitute. The original bp substitute is smokeless powder. Also shotguns, handguns, and straight wall cartridges all use smokeless powder and are legal in that zone. I use 4759 in my sml and looks like bh209.[/quo6te] Only during Firearm Deer season..NOT during Muzzleloading Season in Dec. Green Man is onto SMLs in MI... Still legal during ML season. MI law is vague in the description. It states bp or bp substitute. For it to be illegal and enforced, the rule book would be required to say "smokeless powder is prohibited " like they do in other states. This issue has been discussed by lawyers and there are a number of points you would win on if issued a ticket. Another example: bh209 and smokeless powder have federal shipping classification. True bp is an explosive and classified as such. I've hunted in southern MI for about 30 years and have zero worries about using smls during December. |
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Post by sparkman on Aug 29, 2017 15:19:12 GMT -5
Still legal during ML season. MI law is vague in the description. It states bp or bp substitute. For it to be illegal and enforced, the rule book would be required to say "smokeless powder is prohibited " like they do in other states. This issue has been discussed by lawyers and there are a number of points you would win on if issued a ticket. Another example: bh209 and smokeless powder have federal shipping classification. True bp is an explosive and classified as such. I've hunted in southern MI for about 30 years and have zero worries about using smls during December. Discussed by lawyers...most likely..points that may get it dismissed....maybe after you hire one of the above Lawyers. Proven in court?...Please post a link to a Legal determination... |
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Post by sparkman on Aug 29, 2017 15:23:19 GMT -5
FWIW..I have hunted MI whitetails for over 40 yrs..
I spoke with 2 DNR Officers about the subject....the response was "We will write a ticket , confiscate your rifle. And let you take it to the Judge"..
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Post by doug136 on Aug 29, 2017 19:24:57 GMT -5
You can't get the accuracy with Blackhorn 209 like smokeless but I have no problem shooting under MOA out to 300 yards and close to MOA out to 500 yards . That's with reduced Blackburn loads . If you shoot 105 grains by weight your velocity will be 2400 fps or faster . Shooting MOA out to 500 yards is very Doable with the right conditions
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