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Post by elkman1310 on Jul 27, 2017 17:42:28 GMT -5
This the same gun I had built early and did a report on the gun before I Duro Coated it matte black. Some people don't like the look of stainless. Yesterday I received a new Leupold scope for this gun. This is the new and improved VX6HD
The price of this scope is into nose bleed territory for what you get. The new zero lock low turrets are a pain to setup and if you want to go just one click below your setting once you have the cap installed you can't the windage you can move but you cannot move it just one click and have the lock feature rest. The turrets do have 20MOA per rev. so that is nice the clicks are positive other than that I can't for the life of me see how they justify $1,800 for this scope.
This morning it was a very dull low light morning which was a good test to check how good or improved the optics are. On the mountain behind my house the pine trees at the top of the ridge are 560 yards. I looked at the pine trees and wanted to see how much definition the new scope had it was clear but it didn't have a HD wow factor that it should of had. so I dug out my 3x15x52 Sig Sauer and set that on 15 power and did a side by side comparison You would have been hard pressed to see any real difference between the two. The Sig Sauer is a much heavier built scope roughly 28oz the Leupold 20.5oz The Sig sells for around $1,000 they used to be cheaper but not anymore. The NF and all others that play in this space are all heavy at 28 to 30 oz. So I don't see how Leupold can make this scope as strong internally and have it weigh only 20oz .
Since I was not blown away by the optics I also compared my Burris 3x15x52 Veracity scope against these two and I will say the Burris was just as bright and clear but the Burris Veracity has no illumination it's also only a $600.00 scope that has held up very well on two of my muzzleloaders. The Leupold also has a anti cant feature which I used to level the scope when I mounted it. It works when it's held rock stead in a vice or a rifle rest forget about off hand also during day light hours you don't see the ill reticle so the cant feature isn't worth much. The Sig Sauer center dot is bright during day light hours and has a much better control on the side. The Leupold you have to push in and hold and they wait. The anti cant you have to hold the button for 15 seconds for that to work.
So if your going to spend $1800.00 you might as well spend a little more and go with a Night Force or something other than this model I didn't like the first VX6 and I really don't see anything to make me spend even more on this one.
 
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Post by cornbread on Jul 27, 2017 19:17:10 GMT -5
Good info. What kinda stock is that it looks good!
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Post by hillbill on Jul 27, 2017 19:51:31 GMT -5
The VX-6 I had on my Ike gun held up for about 200 shots and then puked, obviously they had issues because they came out with the HD line less than 2 years later, I would have to agree, for that kind of cash I would have to go with something else, I have owned may Leupold scopes and still own a few but they are CF only,I will never install another on these Muzzleloaders.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 20:50:16 GMT -5
The VX-6 I had on my Ike gun held up for about 200 shots and then puked, obviously they had issues because they came out with the HD line less than 2 years later, I would have to agree, for that kind of cash I would have to go with something else, I have owned may Leupold scopes and still own a few but they are CF only,I will never install another on these Muzzleloaders. If you would have to list a group of scopes in number from 1-10 which scope would you say was number one all the way down to number 10 as a scope for the muzzleloaders we shoot? I know these guns punish the scopes we put on them and you always want to purchase the best scope you can with the money you can afford. We are always looking for the "right" one. Maybe a list or poll showing what people might want to look into when buying the scope for their new smokeless. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 23:07:12 GMT -5
good info
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Post by doug136 on Jul 28, 2017 6:50:31 GMT -5
I have a guy in Missouri that you can buy a Nightforce NXS for a hundred dollars less $1700 . Ive bought 2 Russ 1 . If anyone wants the number send me a pm .
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Post by doug136 on Jul 28, 2017 7:08:19 GMT -5
Just curious Carl do you know how does the Sightron SIII compares to the others ? In that $1000 price range Sightron is by far my favorite . To me my Sightron is just as clear if not clearer than any of my scopes . I really like Sightrons reticle but hate their turrets. The gold lettering wears off and very hard for my bad eyes to see.
Also they can take recoil at least mine has i know it has 600 plus shots . Even Sightrons S Tacs which is there lower end version does extreemly well . Sorry Carl i didnt mean to hijack your post.
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Post by elkman1310 on Jul 28, 2017 8:23:11 GMT -5
I use 3 Sightron 8x32x56 on my bench guns. Right now I have one on Blue Thunder and it is holding impact. I do think that the optics on the Sightron 111 are really clear I also use NF 12x42x56 scopes and I always say the Sightron is clearer than the NF. I have a muzzleloader here that I did for a friend and it has a Sightron 6x24x50 it is not ill. but you can get the ill. model. The optics in the standard 6x24x50 are really outstanding and it has a nice reticle and good target turrets. There made in Japan. Sightrons are hard to beat for the money.
Leupold used to be a great scope and depends on the application they are still some good models to choose from. Out of 100 light guns shot in our regular matches you would be hard pressed to find one Leupold on the firing line. If you can make weight NF 12x42x56 will be first choice the a few March scopes and then a fair amount of Sightrons not because of price simply because you can make the 17lb weight limit easier with the Sightron.
Oh the stock came from Boyd's it is the Heritage model with laser checking I DuroCoated the barreled action . My Cero Coat guy went out of business so I used a DuroCoat kit and did a few. The big draw back is the long cure time up to a month for Duro Coat to fully cure. Like anything else prep work is very important if you want the stuff to really stick. But it is pretty easily to apply.
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Post by hillbill on Jul 28, 2017 11:22:36 GMT -5
So far my Sightrons have been good, for the money I would say very hard to beat, for a lighter scope the Tract is very good so far, if it will hold up and keep tracking true? not as much adjustment as the Sightrons and no illumination but everything is a compromise, usually heavy duty is exactly that, heavy, a lighter scope is that way for a reason, either it has less lenses, a lighter tube, less thickness etc, it's a trade off.
for a walk about gun some will say the heavier scopes are just too big and heavy, these guns are by nature heavy anyway so one just has to decide what you want to carry.
Some have had good luck with the upper end Bushnell's, same goes for the Burris upper end, some with Vortex? Of course Nightforce.
whatever you put on one of these guns it better be able to take a beating, that's a fact.
my walkabout for this season will be the Apex, it weighs 10 pounds 2 oz with the Toric 3x15x50, TPS med rings and a Vortex level, after my last shooting session it has proven to be accurate, I will try it to 440 at the shoot and see how it turns out.
on the other hand my Ike gun weighs over 16 pounds in the Mcmillan A-4 with cheek rest which (weighs a ton) and the 8x32 SIII with illumination But I will never carry it more than a half mile one way to a stand or a short distance to the bench, both are purpose built guns.
Pick your poison and be able to carry the bag it comes in is all I can say.
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