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Post by dp on Jul 17, 2017 16:00:45 GMT -5
Until someone tops this I do build the most accurate muzzleloader period. More pictures on post #2
If this 5 shot target isn't "topping" it is at least as "equally good". I have some of these orange targets and the center orange circle is 7" I believe. Your gun and yourself shoot very well.......I definitely can't compete in this arena..........but as Richard said "any number of people could do that with these guns" or so I've been told. Good shooting and credit given where credit is due to both shooters and targets that have taken it out to 1000. And this is with a 45 cal also, not the unfair subcalibers.
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Post by dp on Jul 17, 2017 16:30:01 GMT -5
Measurements for target above
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Post by elkman1310 on Jul 17, 2017 16:56:11 GMT -5
That is a nice target but unless that shooter can provide proof that it was shot on a real 1,000 yard range it is only a target nothing more. Are there other guns out there capable of hitting a target at 1,000 yards I believe so. But also I shot 4 groups with three groups in the 6" range so I will hold fast on my claim of building the most accurate muzzleloader.
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Post by dp on Jul 17, 2017 17:22:20 GMT -5
That is a nice target but unless that shooter can provide proof that it was shot on a real 1,000 yard range it is only a target nothing more. Are there other guns out there capable of hitting a target at 1,000 yards I believe so. But also I shot 4 groups with three groups in the 6" range so I will hold fast on my claim of building the most accurate muzzleloader. You really cracking me up with the real 1000 yard range deal. It was definitely a thousand yards between the gun and the target that's about as real as it gets. But since you brought up real this or that where is your witness and or witness signature on the targets
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Post by dp on Jul 17, 2017 17:30:21 GMT -5
And if we want to get real technical don't it have to be a sanctioned event in competition to be a real record anyways? Just saying
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Post by kodiak on Jul 17, 2017 18:00:21 GMT -5
That is a nice target but unless that shooter can provide proof that it was shot on a real 1,000 yard range it is only a target nothing more. Are there other guns out there capable of hitting a target at 1,000 yards I believe so. But also I shot 4 groups with three groups in the 6" range so I will hold fast on my claim of building the most accurate muzzleloader. My hat is off to anyone that can do the 1000 yard shots like that and be VERY accurate doing it. All the way thru your build you have talked about building your gun for 1000 yards. The other person picked his up from another builder for hunting, and decided to do the 1000 yard targets with it, but it will be used for hunting mainly. Will yours be doing that? From what I have read, the only things added to his was a different Breech plug system from a different builder, and a GOOD scope!! I guess when you spend good money on good glass it does make a difference.
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Post by elkman1310 on Jul 17, 2017 18:05:17 GMT -5
Well it can crack you up all you want. Our range spent $80,000 to move our whole bank of targets to a true range of 1,000 yards they were 1,021 yards nobody else shoots 1,021 yards so you either make it right or you don't hold 1,000 yard matches. When your holding sanctioned shooting events and want records to be approved by IBS or the Original 1,000 yard Benchrest Club. it has to be a true measured distance. I don't want or need to get into a spitting contest with you the facts or the facts.
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Post by eml9 on Jul 17, 2017 19:18:38 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by dennis on Jul 17, 2017 19:22:59 GMT -5
If you enter a dog in a fight it should be yours.
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Post by rob on Jul 17, 2017 19:37:09 GMT -5
That is a nice target but unless that shooter can provide proof that it was shot on a real 1,000 yard range it is only a target nothing more. Are there other guns out there capable of hitting a target at 1,000 yards I believe so. But also I shot 4 groups with three groups in the 6" range so I will hold fast on my claim of building the most accurate muzzleloader. Get over it. You do not build the most accurate ML.... Just another ML. There are many good bullets and ML builders right now. Do you have proof of shooting your groups??? Carlos does have proof from the range owner. Are all you benchrest shooter this arrogant? Just remember that some shooters were trained to shoot small targets at long distance by the US military. From the way I see it you need to shoot better and talk less.
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Post by Kyle on Jul 17, 2017 19:40:46 GMT -5
Everyone cool it. First and Last Warning!
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Post by Cheytac on Jul 17, 2017 20:05:53 GMT -5
At this point both have shown they have very accurate ML, why not take a deep breathe and share some of your techniques & shooting disciplines to help others out so they may get there ML to maybe shoot a little better.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 20:26:54 GMT -5
I just discovered one thing, and if I'm wrong someone chime in, I believe both elkman and carlos are shooting with a 25" Shilen barrel???
Really good shooting on both parts and kudos to both.
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Post by Richard on Jul 17, 2017 20:36:45 GMT -5
+1 on what Kyle said! Keep it civil. There are many good shooters and accurate muzzle loaders built by a number of builders that are capable of Elkman's groups.
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Post by Kyle on Jul 17, 2017 21:31:33 GMT -5
I just discovered one thing, and if I'm wrong someone chime in, I believe both elkman and carlos are shooting with a 25" Shilen barrel??? Really good shooting on both parts and kudos to both. Shorter barrels are more stiff and bullets spend less time in the barrel. Sometimes longer barrels are at a disadvantage in that regard and may not offer huge gains in velocity. From what I have read, benchrest shooters prefer shorter barrels in general. Maybe these shorter barrels are easier to hunt down the elusive node. I saw seven nodes on a backroad today while going to the post office. Wish I could have stopped to take a picture.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 21:34:48 GMT -5
I just discovered one thing, and if I'm wrong someone chime in, I believe both elkman and carlos are shooting with a 25" Shilen barrel??? Really good shooting on both parts and kudos to both. Shorter barrels are more stiff and bullets spend less time in the barrel. Sometimes longer barrels are at a disadvantage in that regard and may not offer huge gains in velocity. From what I have read, benchrest shooters prefer shorter barrels in general. Maybe these shorter barrels are easier to hunt down the elusive node. I saw seven nodes on a backroad today while going to the post office. Wish I could have stopped to take a picture. Ahhhh....the elusive node....lol
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Post by doug136 on Jul 18, 2017 7:09:58 GMT -5
Kyle do you need to knock 3 times on trees to get those nodes to come out like Bigfoot ? I want pictures of the nodes for proof !
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Post by elkman1310 on Jul 18, 2017 7:29:35 GMT -5
I have always tried to share all the info I can on the muzzleloaders I build for myself and my customers. I backup all my claims with range pictures and the loads I shoot in all the muzzleloaders I build. I let everyone on this board know that I was in the process of building a new ML to shoot groups at 1,000 yards with Kyle Pittman's Aeromax bullets. That seems to have ruffled someone's feathers over on Doug's board. I have supplied all the info on Blue Thunder from the beginning it has a SS 1-18 twist X-Caliber barrel which is 1.250 straight blank which was 29" long it is threaded to a Rem 700 M/L action with my bolt nose conversion my breech plug and muzzle brake. This is a 209 ignition with a .030 bushing. Its bedded into a 3" wide benchrest style stock . It has a 20MOA taper base glued and screwed to the action. The scope is a Sightron 8x32x56 with a target dot and it has a 2oz jewel trigger. The loads I tested were posted IMR 4198 an IMR 3031 and 10X bullets tested were 300gr and 325gr Pittman Aeromax all loads also used a heavy wool wad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 7:38:03 GMT -5
I have always tried to share all the info I can on the muzzleloaders I build for myself and my customers. I backup all my claims with range pictures and the loads I shoot in all the muzzleloaders I build. I let everyone on this board know that I was in the process of building a new ML to shoot groups at 1,000 yards with Kyle Pittman's Aeromax bullets. That seems to have ruffled someone's feathers over on Doug's board. I have supplied all the info on Blue Thunder from the beginning it has a SS 1-18 twist X-Caliber barrel which is 1.250 straight blank which was 29" long it is threaded to a Rem 700 M/L action with my bolt nose conversion my breech plug and muzzle brake. This is a 209 ignition with a .030 bushing. Its bedded into a 3" wide benchrest style stock . It has a 20MOA taper base glued and screwed to the action. The scope is a Sightron 8x32x56 with a target dot and it has a 2oz jewel trigger. The loads I tested were posted IMR 4198 an IMR 3031 and 10X bullets tested were 300gr and 325gr Pittman Aeromax all loads also used a heavy wool wad. What is the finished barrel length? Thanks Steve
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Post by elkman1310 on Jul 18, 2017 7:56:21 GMT -5
I cut a inch off the muzzle so that made it 28" the threaded shank eats up 1.800 so I have basically a 26" barrel ahead of the recoil lug that is more than enough barrel for these fast powders I use. If you wanted to burn 140 grs of H4350 then maybe a longer barrel would work better.
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