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Post by doug136 on Jul 10, 2017 11:55:45 GMT -5
Im positive i have shot more than most in this past year . Part of the reason is that i have been messing with different guns and bullets . Over the 4th of July i shot over a hundred times trying to make a particular bullet shoot the way i need the bullet to shoot . At times i feel like im different than most but i really dont know what to do different .
Everyone says to start low and work up . If that doesnt work then try a wad well i have 3 different wads if that doesnt work try krurling if that doesnt work try a loose fit then a tight fit ,seating pressure on and on . There are more combos to even list
It kills me to see you guys say this is my first 6 shots and its basically one hole . I can get there eventually but at times im litterally shooting hundreds of loads with different combos to get there .
Am i doing something wrong ? At times it gets flustrating . Tell me exactly how you guys work up a load . And no its not me or my equipment . I started doubting my ability and equipment until i went back to a load i know will shoot and shot 3 ,three shot groups under .5 at 100 yards basically 1 hole. But even that load took me forever to find the right combo .
I realize i shoot mostly Blackhorn but also have the same problems with smokless . I feel like i must be doing something wrong . Does anyone else struggle at times to find a load to shoot ?
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Post by Richard on Jul 10, 2017 14:28:08 GMT -5
Your not doing anything wrong Doug! Kyle has those bullets designed just so guys like you will shoot a lot and he will sell more bullets!  I think we are all in the same boat doug. Just that some like us shoot more than others and find out its a tricky game we play. Others go out with a load they got here, shoot a good three shot group and then you never hear from them again. If shooting and testing were a slam/dunk, everyone would be shooting bug holes ALL the time. But remember this, the more you shoot and test, the more information gets stored in you head or you log book. This is what you draw from when trying to figure stuff out. Just a "for instance..........." Two matches ago (600 yard matches) there was a guy (one of the regulars and a good shooter) who kicked everybody's butt. It was like Martin Truex Saturday (NASCAR race). He was the class of the field, won both the first and second stages and then the final.........he was 15 seconds ahead of the field near he end and subsequently won the race........................So now the last two matches he could not hit a bull in the bass with shovel if he tried? Why? Same gun, same load similar conditions? "Go Figure?" You are doing the right regiment Doug..........just accept that things do not always work like we expect. |
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Post by doug136 on Jul 10, 2017 16:28:48 GMT -5
That makes me feel better i was getting a little discouraged.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 17:25:08 GMT -5
Honestly I have done one or two take trips this year. Busy, not ready, now I am and it's flipping hot, and now I won't be hunting till December with my Muzzleloader. I was crazy big into shooting early on with my smokeless Muzzleloader and still am but just no time. But what helped me a lot was a couple guys including Richard giving me advice on a load/bullet combo. I started there moved up and down a little but found the suggested load just worked. The info shared on the board greatly cut my load development down.
If you trying to shoot a certain bullet weight if look for info on what made that bullet shoot. And write everything down that is shared and compare see what's the average and start there. Also try to compare your gun to theirs to help with getting into the ballpark. This is what I did as well.
Good luck
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Post by elkman1310 on Jul 10, 2017 18:23:58 GMT -5
Doug you can't be shooting all that bad because you do really well when you go to that big muzzleloader match. I post pictures of the guns I build and how they group right from the first shot before the customer ever gets to shoot it. I will say that every customer I took out to the range did shoot really good small groups right from the start some shot from a lead sled others of my regular rifle rests.
That said all these guys had quite a bit of trigger time behind them they did there part and the gun did the rest.
Shooting good groups at 100 yards with a good muzzleloader no matter who built it should not be any problem with a proper fitting bullet. If your getting 1/2" groups be happy I like to see smaller groups but a 1/2 group is far better than most center fire rifles will shoot on any given day.
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Post by deadeye on Jul 10, 2017 18:37:22 GMT -5
Barrel harmonics,when its whipping like that its telling you something.
You did the right thing. Go back to a proven load to see.
point>take 2 different powders with same set up,same speed,results think would be same.
not.
they are burning differently producing a different tuning fork.
Shortcuts with experienced load developers will predict nodes also,not always the same but thats where lots of time loading for # of years payoff.
after you get old don't like to waste time & money.
SMILEY!
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jul 10, 2017 18:40:42 GMT -5
And write down the weather conditions. Temp, humidity, barometric pressure, zipcode and altitude,is the range uphill or downhill....yeah it all matters.Me though....I start with asking Richard and HillBill where to start. That is usually better than I can shoot anyway.
Drop
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Post by doug136 on Jul 10, 2017 19:56:34 GMT -5
I do 99 percent of my shooting behind my house . I have a 100 yard range behind my barn through a small woods . I dont really pay a lot of attention to heat or humidity . It will change my point of impact but my groups do not change a whole lot with proven loads . But i have on occasion not shot as well as i thought i should with proven loads . Maybe temp and humidity effected things more than i thought .
Ill keep doing what im doing until i get there . I just thought maybe i was doing something wrong .
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Post by nick50471 on Jul 10, 2017 20:49:30 GMT -5
I am an engineer and it's my job to perform tests and develop processes for our customers. So naturally I love shooting and developing loads. I grew bored of my 308, 300WM, 7mm and my 22-284. Shooting a sub Moa muzzy is just a ton of fun.
I take the same approach to load developing as I do for my customers. I list all the variables, I list the constants then during testing I only change one variable at a time and record finding. I work hard to find ways to make a variable a constant. The most important thing to remember is that there are no failures. Every test gives useful data.
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