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Post by doug136 on Jul 6, 2017 9:01:22 GMT -5
That is incredible Richard . I read the article still amazes me .
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Post by kodiak on Jul 6, 2017 9:38:06 GMT -5
My hat is off to you and anyone that have done the 1000 yard targets and have shot very well doing them, But how many have done it with a taped up bag and a rear rest?
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Post by doug136 on Jul 6, 2017 10:18:51 GMT -5
I honestly dont think it makes much of a difference front bag and rear bag vrs front rest and rear bag . I have not shot a 1000 yards but out to 200 i cant tell a difference . In fact other than having to adjust a front bag everytime I personally think a big front bag like Carlos has is more stable . Just my opionion and im not taking anything away from Carlos . He is a awsome shot and has proved it over and over .
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Post by Richard on Jul 6, 2017 11:16:27 GMT -5
I once shot next to one short range benchrest's top shooters (back in the 90's) at a Penn.100/200 yard group match. Dr. Moretzo! I had a real nice rest and rear bag and he had what looked like a "run of the mill" cheezy looking set up? But man could he shoot!
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Post by deadeye on Jul 6, 2017 13:49:39 GMT -5
Does shooting off a backpack qualify?lol/ /been there done that for some long shots with rifles etc. know your equipment & when conditions & shooter readiness are in line amazing things are possible/probable.
bags vs. rest//done this many times from 6ppc to 50bmg & in between sometimes shooting groups in the .1's & .2's from each from the same rifle. sometimes not so much but when that happens go searching for what the situation wants.
imo- it is easier to make a mistake with bags but you can also with rest even with a SEB rest,swivel studs,rifle balance etc./etc. ///bi-pods also have a learning curve. backpacks also a learning curve.
that group is outstanding but I guarantee you conditions were great or you have a wind reader capable of .3mph or less!
I have seen some off the record 1k sml 3 shot groups from members that wanted to remain anonymous & have there groups remain unpublished & I have respected that.
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Post by doug136 on Jul 6, 2017 16:45:32 GMT -5
We should just give you a rock Deadeye . You could make it work !
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Post by dennis on Jul 6, 2017 19:18:47 GMT -5
We should just give you a rock Deadeye . You could make it work ! Don't give him new ideas.LOL
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Post by Richard on Jul 6, 2017 20:22:54 GMT -5
Them back packs flat out work. I got one mule deer at 400 yards with the back pack rest and a caribou at 350 the same way! But...........................we are not talking five and ten shot groups shot under match conditions with a time limit. Plus.........kill zones are much larger than targets that get measured. Once you are under the "clock" things get more intense............but that is what makes competition fun.
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Post by deadeye on Jul 7, 2017 16:28:50 GMT -5
doug-good thread!-- some additional advice-take approx. an hour or so sometime just changing the set-up without firing a shot,gun fit & feel looking at particular's how the stock is sliding in the bags or rest visualizing what is happening during the recoil process gun to rest, the little mistakes hurt & shows up sooner or later on the target especially when in competition or trying to shoot extreme small groups. that's just one area of the shooting process then the rest is on the shooters shoulder's considering the load/gun is working also.
rock's i'll save those for leveling up the stove in the kitchen etc,have climbed many in the rockies & god willing more to come! thx for the kind words & dennis also!
Richard-you are right about the backpack & as you know beware of the guy with the mangled equipment such as taped/torn bags duct taped items that they refuse to upgrade to shiny brand new -there's a reason he does not want to depart from that equipment-they work & know's what to do with it. repetition,repetition = security that is repeatable.
here is a nice piece that all should enjoy & a great book to read from one of the greats! the book of rifle accuracy.
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Post by dennis on Jul 7, 2017 17:17:00 GMT -5
doug-good thread!-- some additional advice-take approx. an hour or so sometime just changing the set-up without firing a shot,gun fit & feel looking at particular's how the stock is sliding in the bags or rest visualizing what is happening during the recoil process gun to rest, the little mistakes hurt & shows up sooner or later on the target especially when in competition or trying to shoot extreme small groups. that's just one area of the shooting process then the rest is on the shooters shoulder's considering the load/gun is working also.
rock's i'll save those for leveling up the stove in the kitchen etc,have climbed many in the rockies & god willing more to come! thx for the kind words & dennis also!
Richard-you are right about the backpack & as you know beware of the guy with the mangled equipment such as taped/torn bags duct taped items that they refuse to upgrade to shiny brand new -there's a reason he does not want to depart from that equipment-they work & know's what to do with it. repetition,repetition = security that is repeatable.
here is a nice piece that all should enjoy & a great book to read from one of the greats! the book of rifle accuracy.
Appreciate the youtube video, it puts things a little more into perspective for someone like me who doesn't bench shoot much. I didn't realize how much you have to play the wind. I am more used to shooting minute of deer. All of this information helps me, thanks to all who post this info.
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Post by Richard on Jul 7, 2017 21:32:15 GMT -5
The thing to notice here is Tony shooting his sighter shots and then when the conditions are right, he fires off his record five shots in about 20 seconds. He waited for a condition that suited him. That is how the game is played by the "best of the best!" Now think about what we do? Fire a shot, remove the rifle from the rest, BS, load another shot, put the rifle back, get it adjusted and shoot...............maybe in the the same condition or most likely not? Good video Jeff, had not seen that one and unfortunately, I have never had the pleasure of shooting with him. He will know within the first 50 shots out of a barrel whether it is MATCH grade or not. I think he grades them in "the big high profile matches", the "local matches" and the ones he sells off to people getting started in the game. Even those barrel shoot better than new shooters can shoot them!
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Post by doug136 on Jul 8, 2017 7:38:05 GMT -5
Wow the longer i play this game the more i realize i know NOTHING ! Thank u very interesting video .
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