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Post by doug136 on Jun 30, 2017 10:14:01 GMT -5
I know i asked this question before but im gonna ask again . Which do you guys prefer also can you tell much of a difference in accuracy ? I have done some shooting with bags . I honestly cant tell much of a difference when it comes to accuracy . The only reason im even thinking about trying a shooting bag vrs my Sinclair is to help with recoil . Im gonna shoot smokless in the fall Kentucky Challenge instead of my normal Blackhorn loads . I wanna see if i can run with the big dogs !( im sure im gonna get left on the porch !)If im gonna try to compete with that one eyed monster im gonna have to shoot a pretty stout load . Im kind of a sissy when it comes to recoil . I dont flinch now and i dont want to start ! I was thinking maybe a good big shooting bag may be the answer . I have noticed where Carlos on the other board always uses a bag instead of a front rest . Just curious if any of you guys have done much shooting with bags .
As always thanks guys !
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Post by Kyle on Jun 30, 2017 10:41:47 GMT -5
Bags have their place as an accurate shooting rest option. I'd say give one a try. I plan to get one myself for hunting situations where a Sinclair rest and rear bag is not ideal.
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Post by hillbill on Jun 30, 2017 11:07:11 GMT -5
I shot off of a bag set up last shoot, repeatability is the big difference which can also mean an accuracy difference if you are not very careful, maybe the reason my 200 yd group sucked so bad? Maybe not?
I might try it again this time?
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Post by AJ on Jun 30, 2017 11:50:22 GMT -5
Shooting close range (out to a couple hundred yards) you can get it done with either. Stretching the distance requires shooting technique be as consistent as possible to get accuracy. Personally, I am not a fan of bags. I will take a mechanical front rest with rear bag followed by a bipod with rear bag ahead of a front bag any day.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jun 30, 2017 12:04:14 GMT -5
Stability and repeatability are key. Besides I like it on the porch
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Post by doug136 on Jun 30, 2017 13:00:48 GMT -5
I have a bull bag and a Dog Gone good Bag but mine are the medium size. I was thinking about trying the big 12x16x8 high bag . They definitley help absorb some of the recoil . I have shot some pretty good groups at 100 but never have tried further out .Carlos has shot some good groups long range with bags .
Bill what did you think shooting a bag compared to a front rest ? Did you still use a rear bag ?
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Post by hillbill on Jun 30, 2017 15:08:27 GMT -5
I used the large size Dog Gone Good front and the SEB Bigfoot rear bag, the big problem with the front bag is getting it rearranged after every loading, sometimes you have to re fluff and then resettle the stock. would I have done better off a front rest set up? Likely but then I'm no bench guy to start with, I will never compete with these guys with bench experience. It is a challenge though, I might very well use mine again just for the fun of it?
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Post by elkman1310 on Jun 30, 2017 16:02:59 GMT -5
Doug I hope you come to one of our matches and shoot in my relay. Really there is nothing to compare with a good shooting rest with the right bags attached to it. No serious benchrest shooter would ever come to match and shoot off any kind of sand bag they would call the paddy wagon to come get you. If your groups look the same shooting from a bag as they do from a ridged rifle rest then something is wrong its night and day.
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Post by doug136 on Jun 30, 2017 16:23:29 GMT -5
Well if my hero Elkman says front rest is where its at then ill stick with my front rest .
Carl i do almost all my shooting with a front rest only . Friendship does not allow a rear rest nor do they allow more than 4 inches of contact with the front rest . Here at home with my Sinclair Competition front rest or my bull bag . I can keep my groups under a .5 and have had a occosional one hole group that will measure in the .2 or .3s . But that is all done with a front rest only whether its a bag or front rest . My Hankins is really set up for Friendship . I have a GRS stock that is cut out in the back . I really dont have a good place for the rear of my stock to ride in a rear bag . Im thinking of buying a pro varmint stock just to shoot in the challenge or possibly one of those Bobby Hart stocks. Something that will ride in the bags better. . That may be why i cant tell much of a difference between a front rest and a bag .
Carl im not near the quality of a shooter that you are . (YET !) but im working on it ! Id love to watch one of your matches . I have lots and lots to learn . Thank u for the info guys .
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Post by aldeerhunter on Jun 30, 2017 18:10:09 GMT -5
The SEB big foot rear bag is nice. I use it and a tackdriver front bag. As pointed out above, it is a pain to have to reset the front bag after every shot. It is also a pain to get the bags level with your target. With all of that said, once set up right, using front and rear bags can yield impressive results. Much of this has to do with the ability of the shooter. Can't wait for my adjustable front rest to get here.
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Post by Richard on Jun 30, 2017 18:51:59 GMT -5
Definitely the front/rear rest set up will promote consistency. With the muzzle loaders we have the problem with removing and replacing the rifle after every shot and that can effect consistency. The Bulls Bag type front rest only can produce very decent results but as mentioned, takes time to get "re-set!".
My lead sled it set up and designed for repeatability and stability. You will almost NEVER hear me complain that I "pulled" a shot because it is that solid........yet, it recoils rearward just like a heavy bench gun. Push it forward to the "stop", remove the rifle, load and put back in place and my crosshairs are just about right on the bull. My forend is 3" flat and my front bag is also 3". A small block on the bottom of the rear butt matches the pocket in the sled. A regular bench rest front and rear set up is equally as accurate but.....................you have the recoil factor to deal with that is not present with my sled set up?
You have to be the judge of what works best for you?
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Post by doug136 on Jul 1, 2017 9:39:11 GMT -5
Ya Richard i have looked at your set up a few times . You definitley have it figured out and have eliminated the recoil factor . That would definitley be a way a guy could handle hotter loads . Speaking of loads why dont you shoot hotter loads with your lead sled set up ? I realize you like to keep your velosity around 2800 fps . Why ? Why not take advantage of the lead sled and bump your load up ? Less drift less drop if you can get equal accuracy .
As far as bags vrs rest im gonna have to stick with my front rest . You guys kinda busted my idea . I guess if my Hero can shoot a 325 grain Aeromax at or around 3000 fps then i need to man up and take the recoil ! Lol thanks guys i really do appreciate the info .
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Post by Richard on Jul 1, 2017 18:02:46 GMT -5
Doug........if I was shooting at over 400 yards (ant that is only in Kentucky) I probably would? But for the max of 300 I normally shoot, it is not necessary.
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Post by dp on Jul 5, 2017 8:31:01 GMT -5
Well this is a 1000 yard target shot with a regular 700ML 45 cal off of a ratty old taped up browning shooting bag and rear bag. The center orange circle is 8" so well under MOA for sure. I told the guy pulling the trigger he should really build a bench gun and maybe he could compete but that rascal is hard headed.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 9:48:58 GMT -5
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Post by doug136 on Jul 5, 2017 11:11:35 GMT -5
He could compete. Very nice shooting .very nice
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Post by hillbill on Jul 5, 2017 15:47:29 GMT -5
Carlos can shoot, no doubt about that. he has proven that many times.
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Post by Richard on Jul 5, 2017 16:32:01 GMT -5
That is very good shooting but I would say there are any number of shooters on this forum that given the place to do it, could replicate that target. I believe Elkman will show that in the not too distant future. He is a member and only lives a short distance from the Williamsport Original 1,000 yard benchrest club. A good load, with the proper equipment and weather conditions along with good trigger work are the main ingredients. We have the rifles and bullets to make it happen.
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Post by dp on Jul 5, 2017 18:39:45 GMT -5
Any number of members you say? I doubt it, I know I can't.....yet, just don't have the experience shooting that far. I have no doubt there are a couple that likely could but the proof is in the pudding as they say.
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Post by Richard on Jul 5, 2017 19:35:13 GMT -5
If you were to come to the Kentucky Challenge, you would see people who could do it. Carlos is a good shooter but there are many others equally as qualified. Shooting 1K is really not that much different than shooting 100 yards? Once the distance stretches out, conditions are major factor in hitting your intended target. I know, been there, done that and once set the 1K small group record at 1.564"..........which Tom Sarver from Thunder Valley Ohio now holds.
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