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Post by thunder53 on Apr 1, 2016 14:13:06 GMT -5
FINALLY, with some better weather in the offing I am going to get out and shoot my "new" (to me anyway) RemPac 700 ML in the near future (about time!!).
I want to try some Accumax vs. the Parker MH's & BE's, 302 BOMBS and Barnes.
Will be shooting 70-78 gr of IMR 4198, might also use some 10 gr duplexes of 4759 (yes, taking 10 gr of IMR4198 out).
Has there been any consensus developed regarding if there is an Accumax weight that seems to be more accurate/consistent?
Most of my shooting has been with 250-275 gr bullets.
The 302 BOMBS will be the heaviest I have shot out of a SML.
I have an out of state deer hunt later this year and want a bullet I can count on at 300 yds., and as flat as reasonably possible and
Thanks for the feedback!
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Post by gar on Apr 1, 2016 14:43:57 GMT -5
Let me say first that I have not shot the Accumax but comparing a 275 BE to the 3oo MH, the MH had 8 inches less drop at 300 yds. than the BE.
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Post by thunder53 on Apr 1, 2016 15:22:03 GMT -5
I would have expected a similar weight MH to have less drop than a BE, BUT not with the 25 gr added difference for the MH, so that's very interesting and telling about the BC.
I have ordered some 300 Accumaxs as a starting point and will likely start with 70 gr of IMR4198 over a .060 veggie wad.
Now, I just need the weather to cooperate, calling for snow and 30-45 mph wind tomorrow and so I'm at least a week or two out yet. Spring!
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Post by Richard on Apr 1, 2016 19:45:05 GMT -5
For me, a 300 gr. AccuMax sighted "dead nuts on" at 100 yards will "hit dead nuts on" at 300 with 3 1/2 moa added to my NF scope. The load is 73 gr. of either H or I 4198 with no wad. The bullet wants to fit in such a way that you can "feel" its making contact on the way down the barrel but not more than one had to push it. In my Brux it wants to be .4498-9". It also shoots well with 5 gr. of Clays under 66 gr. of H-4198 in the 2750 fps range.
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Post by 247deer on Apr 1, 2016 20:53:28 GMT -5
X2 my gun really likes the 300 gr Accumax and 73 gr H4198 with a wad. Also I had a REMPAC with a savage plug and was told 73 gr 4198 should be max not sure what you have for a plug but you want to make sure 78 gr of 4198 is not pushing the limits of your gun
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Post by Kyle on Apr 1, 2016 21:05:40 GMT -5
78 for any 300 is way over max in my opinion. Be safe guys.
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Post by thunder53 on Apr 1, 2016 21:22:06 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback.
Yeah, pretty sure with a 300 gr I will keep it around 70 gr IMR4198.
(Got a savage BP with both .040 & .030 bushings.)
Got your text Kyle, looking forward to getting the stuff.
Another question, I have ALWAYS shot my sabotless with a wad, what's the advantage of "wadless"? (Keep in mind I'm only smooth forming)
It's all fun!!
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Post by Kyle on Apr 1, 2016 21:27:52 GMT -5
In a hunting situation where a second shot might present itself, I'd rather not have one more step involved in my loading procedure. Wads sometimes produce tighter groups and or lower ES's for some guns/shooters. I say shoot what gives you confidence.
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Post by thunder53 on Apr 1, 2016 22:20:27 GMT -5
In a hunting situation where a second shot might present itself, I'd rather not have one more step involved in my loading procedure. Wads sometimes produce tighter groups and or lower ES's for some guns/shooters. I say shoot what gives you confidence. Up to now I solved that issue because I used wool wads and just used a small drop of super glue and glued them to the bullet ahead of time. I really think they burn/rip off anyway and accuracy never seemed to change. Now with veggie wads, I'm not sure they would stick. |
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Post by gar on Apr 2, 2016 6:25:55 GMT -5
I have not noticed any difference in accuracy with or without a wad but during hunting season I like the added protection of a wad for a moisture barrier protection of my load that may remain in gun for awhile . This past fall I left my gun in the blind for 22 days loaded and shot at end of season and was still flawless. Kyle , the only time you need a second shot is when a herd moves in and you are stacking them up.
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Post by Kyle on Apr 2, 2016 7:11:34 GMT -5
Some areas are moving to the earn a buck program where you have to harvest a doe first. If I haven't taken my doe yet and a good Buck is with a doe then I'd like to reload as quickly as possible. Would leaving out the wad on a zeroed gun cause you to miss? Maybe, maybe not. Might depend on distance, might not matter at all. Wads help many load combinations. Others may not notice a difference. I plan on shooting my 300's and 325's at deer this year and might give the 350's a try as well.
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Post by keith on Apr 2, 2016 8:31:09 GMT -5
I have not noticed any difference in accuracy with or without a wad but during hunting season I like the added protection of a wad for a moisture barrier protection of my load that may remain in gun for awhile . I just burned a pound of powder in 10-days testing this. I do agree with you that a veggie likely offers a better seal against moisture and also find the time for adding the wad to be negligible considering how long it takes to reload anyhow (I've timed it). I think 75gn of either 4198 is the max that should be used. My gun likes 75gn of H4198 and 300g-ihs bullets when smooth formed and 70gn when full formed. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2016 9:28:40 GMT -5
In TN it is legal to carry more than one ML. I carry an iron sighted H&R conversion as a backup shot or as a close range primary shot.
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Post by dannoboone on Apr 2, 2016 17:16:06 GMT -5
Let me say first that I have not shot the Accumax but comparing a 275 BE to the 3oo MH, the MH had 8 inches less drop at 300 yds. than the BE. Is that not like comparing apples to oranges? Any of the BE's are like flying bricks compared to the MH's! How much more would a 275MH drop at 300yds than a 300MH?? Seems like the 275 Amax which was used for testing last fall got some great long range kills, or am I mistaken? |
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Post by Richard on Apr 2, 2016 19:28:44 GMT -5
Danno............I think it all depends on your gun..........barrel dimension (internal-land to land and external- length), ignition system, types of primers etc. I think Hank, Hillbill and Kyle were shooting the 275's because that was all that was initially available at the time they tested. Velocity will play a part in the 300 yard drop along with a difference in BC? Possibly the higher BC of the 300 might offset the extra speed of the 275's?
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Post by Kyle on Apr 2, 2016 20:12:52 GMT -5
Richard is correct. 14 deer were taken in the fall of 2015 in several states with my 275 grain .452 AccuMax from 50 yards to 433 yards. Initially that was the grain weight available for testing. I wanted to test that offering first as I expected it to be my most used weight.
Leap forward several months and I now have a good supply of 275's, 300's and 325's in stock, 350's and 375's coming soon. I had to interrupt the production of the 350's and 375's to catch up on orders for the other weights.
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Post by gar on Apr 2, 2016 20:54:30 GMT -5
Take the same profile bullets, one light and one heavier and at distance, the heavier bullet generally passes the lighter projectile in FPS. It may be beyond one's hunting range but I only compared those two bullets cause that is what I had at the time.
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Post by thunder53 on Apr 4, 2016 16:17:01 GMT -5
78 for any 300 is way over max in my opinion. Be safe guys. Kyle, Got the 300's and tubes today, Thanks! What do you figure the top end/max load of IMR4198 would be for a 275 out of a RemPac if the Max for a 300 is about 73? |
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Post by Kyle on Apr 4, 2016 20:40:31 GMT -5
I can't tell you what weight or type of powder to shoot out of your gun due to liability.
That being said I regularly shoot what I feel is a maximum charge in my Hankins Custom Rifles smokeless muzzleloader of 78 gr IMR 4198 and my 275 gr AccuMax. I have also shot what I feel is a maximum charge in my Hankins Custom Rifles smokeless muzzleloader of 73 gr IMR 4198 and my 300 gr AccuMax. My gun is purposely built to shoot heavy charges of smokeless powder. I feel these loads are safe in my gun and my gun only. I do not recommended these loads for any other muzzleloader but my own. Rely on the manufacturer of your muzzleloader for load recommendations. Kyle
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Post by Richard on Apr 4, 2016 22:02:37 GMT -5
I have shot both those same loads in my Rem/Brux with Luke's plug and they were safe in my gun.
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