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Post by Kyle on Jul 18, 2015 20:56:49 GMT -5
I went to the range this afternoon after eating lunch with the wife and kids and had time to shoot 8 groups. 4 were at 100 yards and 4 at 200 yards. At this range session I was experimenting with the 325 Match Hunters smooth formed and also the 275 Ballistic Extremes smooth formed, both with IMR 4198 Powder. Rain would not allow me to chronograph when I was shooting at 100, but after walking the targets out to the 200 yard target the rain let up and I broke out the Chrony. Temp was bouncing between 78 and 80 with absolutely zero wind, but very high humidity. The 71 gr charge of IMR 4198 averaged 2781 with the 325 Match Hunter and no wad. The 72 gr charge of IMR 4198 with a wad averaged 2789. Only 8 fps more with 1 grain of powder and a wad. I gather from this that with faster burning powder with a heavy bullet, wads do not help to increase velocity a whole lot. I was expecting a totally different result. Maybe with slower burning powders there is a noticeable difference. I'll try that scenario out soon with IMR 3031 and the 325 Match Hunter. These groups were shot with no forearm hold. I typically hold the forearm while shooting this rifle. Just experimenting a little with shooting form too. I called this thread the good, the bad and the ugly because I shot a couple of really good groups and a couple that looks like they were shot with OOO Buck. Anyhow, here they are, Kyle
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Post by hillbill on Jul 18, 2015 21:05:00 GMT -5
well since you didn't do a selfie there is nothing ugly that I can see, not any bad either, all good, very good...
now if we can just get Bob to send us some more bullets???
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Post by deadeye on Jul 18, 2015 21:12:16 GMT -5
kyle- I had a similar day-it seems to me that 327's in high temps are very sensitive,i had a .712@ 200yds & a couple of other group's around 2''//also ran a little h322..speeds were excellent & groups were what I call above avg good but probably not take any wood home @ kentucky shoot//but maybe a cooler weather hunting load/jmho
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Post by Kyle on Jul 18, 2015 21:34:11 GMT -5
Did the new brake do the trick?
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Post by hillbill on Jul 18, 2015 21:39:03 GMT -5
things will get interesting from now on out til season starts, lots of testing to do and deer to put down, Im getting excited..
I hope to try some different powders and 322 might be one of them, Im in search of a good temp stable load with the MHs for field work..
.712 @ 200 is pretty darn good, Kyle has some good ones as well, guess I might as well settle for the middle of the pack at the shoot..
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Post by Hank on Jul 18, 2015 21:45:54 GMT -5
Kyle... That is some good shooting and I'm thinking like bill,, it's only gonna get better from here..
Jeff..
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Post by jims on Jul 18, 2015 22:50:16 GMT -5
I would say solid shooting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 23:53:59 GMT -5
Not much ugly with those groups...Those BE's shoot.
Zen
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Post by deadeye on Jul 19, 2015 6:32:31 GMT -5
Did the new brake do the trick? imo the brake was part of it, I did have a spot where the freefloated barrel was touching at times & maybe scope sliding in rings. this barrel seems to not want 275be's say under 2"@ 200-don't know why.
just hope my bullets show from parker in time.
good shootin kyle!
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Post by jimbob on Jul 19, 2015 7:57:50 GMT -5
Nothing ugly about that Id say pretty darn good
Jimbob
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Post by mooseman on Jul 19, 2015 8:11:12 GMT -5
Excellent shooting, were you using one of Jeffs build rifles.
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Post by Kyle on Jul 19, 2015 8:28:23 GMT -5
I'm shooting a Hankins Smokeless Muzzleloader that Jeff Hankins of Hankins Custom Rifles built for me in 2014. I have to say this is the best shooting gun that I have when I am doing everything right. Absolutely nothing bad to say about the gun at all. I would recommend Jeff to anyone looking to have a smokeless muzzleloader built, and who knows I might add another to my collection one day. You can see more about my rifle on this link: hanksmessageboard.freeforums.net/thread/32/hankins-smokeless-muzzleloader |
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Post by 68hunter on Jul 19, 2015 8:48:54 GMT -5
That's so darn nice shooting Kyle.
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Post by oneshotike on Jul 19, 2015 18:04:44 GMT -5
Very nice shooting
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Post by dannoboone on Jul 19, 2015 18:15:07 GMT -5
Your "ugly" groups still amount to very dead deer! Dern good trigger-work out of a
great shootin' rifle.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 19:00:44 GMT -5
You can't hardly go wrong with those MZ's.
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Post by Richard on Jul 19, 2015 19:02:09 GMT -5
Nice shooting! Your ES's are very low; which is great. Your second 200 yard group with the wad appeared to just a tad higher in average velocity but three shots is not enough to confirm the difference.
Richard
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Post by schunter on Jul 20, 2015 11:24:38 GMT -5
Kyle do you think the MH groups are not as good as the BE because of the thicker jacket?
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Post by Kyle on Jul 20, 2015 11:49:13 GMT -5
schunter,
The BE's with their thinner jackets are less finicky than thicker jacketed bullets in my opinion smooth sized. I plan to size some more Match Hunters to fit the bore even tighter and see how those work. It's really apples to oranges, the BE's I'm shooting are 275 and the Match Hunters are 325 (327 actually ). I was also trying a different hold on the rifle and did not change that hold for all 8 groups. I know the BE's work, just playing around with a higher BC and heavier bullet in case the cloning of TRex is successful one day. Kyle
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Post by bestill458 on Jul 20, 2015 12:36:25 GMT -5
Kyle,
I think you are dead on.
My experience with270 emax i load with2 fingers very loose actual measure.4503 per my barrel
327 match hunter load2 hands and measure.4505 per same barrel .
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