|
Post by yoderjac on Apr 19, 2024 9:51:56 GMT -5
I've always been happy with the performance of the Leupold scopes I use on most of my rifles and muzzleloaders, including the smokeless Encore I bought from Jeff. A couple years ago I bought a Burris OracleX for my Mission Sub-One Lite crossbow. It is a little big and bulky, but I simply love the performance. It is a great tool for reducing wounding rates. There is no more guessing distance based on trees I ranged at the beginning of the hunt or getting made with the movement of trying to range the deer in real time. I simply aim, push a button on the remote, and get an aiming point in the scope.
This year, Burris redesigned their laser ranging scope, the Eliminator. I avoided it in the past for a couple reasons. Again, the scope was large and bulky with a non-standard mounting system. Second, the optics were not ideal. It looks like they have addressed both of those in the new design. I hope the new Eliminator 6 will hold up to my smokeless. My encore is fairly heavy and with Jeff's break, it does not have too much kick shooting 65 grains of 4198 and 275gr pittmans. I did have an issue with my Leupold QR rings having the leaver bumped but that could happen with any rifle. I haven't had any issue with the Leupold scope itself. I guess I'll see if the Burris can handle it.
My cost will be about the same as the Leupold scopes I use that don't have ranging built in. I have not yet been able to get documentation on the BurrisConnect App they use to program it. The literature does say that you can program in hand loads so I presume I won't have an issue programming in the ballistics of my SML.
I just ordered it and a set of Jeff's scope rings for it. I should have time to work with it before the season this fall.
|
|
|
Post by buckeye68 on Apr 19, 2024 21:21:56 GMT -5
Keep us posted on how it works and the performance of the range finder and the glass quality.
|
|
|
Post by jimbob on Apr 20, 2024 6:43:38 GMT -5
Good luck with this I have a customer who between him and his buddy have killed about 6 of those on SML
|
|
|
Post by yoderjac on Apr 20, 2024 9:14:55 GMT -5
Good luck with this I have a customer who between him and his buddy have killed about 6 of those on SML Is this the redesigned Eliminator 6 or one of the older models?
|
|
|
Post by yoderjac on Apr 20, 2024 9:24:31 GMT -5
Good luck with this I have a customer who between him and his buddy have killed about 6 of those on SML Will do. I'm not expecting the same glass quality as my Leupold scopes. I'm expecting the glass on this new model Eliminator to be close to non-range finding Burris scopes. They say that they have solved some of the coating issues required for the heads-up display on older models. This tended to give it a yellow quality and probably reduced light transmission. But, what they say, and what we will actually experience may be different. I'll report back on how things go. I figure if it fails on my SML, I'll return it for replacement and then go back to my Leupold on the SML. I have an Encore .300 Win Mag with a JP Howitzer muzzlebreak on it. That break is amazing. It has lest felt recoil than a .223, but you don't want to shoot it without hearing protection!
|
|
|
Post by jimbob on Apr 20, 2024 21:29:58 GMT -5
Good luck with this I have a customer who between him and his buddy have killed about 6 of those on SML Is this the redesigned Eliminator 6 or one of the older models? not sure which model but this has happened within the last couple years
|
|
|
Post by yoderjac on Apr 21, 2024 8:22:50 GMT -5
Is this the redesigned Eliminator 6 or one of the older models? not sure which model but this has happened within the last couple years Thanks. The redesign just came out this year, so they must have been one of the older models.
|
|
|
Post by yoderjac on Apr 22, 2024 16:49:49 GMT -5
This new design mounts like a normal scope unlike some of the previous models. It has a 34mm tube and 52mm objective. I decided to use Jeff's scope rings. I emailed him and he said that with the Encore he sold me, 1" rings should accommodate the 52mm objective. I ordered them the other day and got a tracking email that said they were shipped today.
I'm sure I'll get them before Burris sends the scope.
|
|
|
Post by dennis on Apr 22, 2024 17:13:00 GMT -5
This new design mounts like a normal scope unlike some of the previous models. It has a 34mm tube and 52mm objective. I decided to use Jeff's scope rings. I emailed him and he said that with the Encore he sold me, 1" rings should accommodate the 52mm objective. I ordered them the other day and got a tracking email that said they were shipped today. I'm sure I'll get them before Burris sends the scope. [/quote I have his rings on my bench gun and they are awesome. Give a report on the scope.
|
|
|
Post by yoderjac on Apr 22, 2024 19:21:20 GMT -5
Will do!
|
|
|
Post by yoderjac on May 6, 2024 16:05:17 GMT -5
Looks like it is going to be a while. It has been a couple weeks since I place the order, so I emailed Burris. They replied today saying they are on backorder and should be available mid-June.
|
|
|
Post by SURESHOT on May 7, 2024 7:09:49 GMT -5
Looks like it is going to be a while. It has been a couple weeks since I place the order, so I emailed Burris. They replied today saying they are on backorder and should be available mid-June. At EURO OPTIC, believe they have this scope in stock. If your not already locked in. Just re checked and sorry for the misleading its the old model V
|
|
|
Post by yoderjac on May 7, 2024 17:10:35 GMT -5
Looks like it is going to be a while. It has been a couple weeks since I place the order, so I emailed Burris. They replied today saying they are on backorder and should be available mid-June. At EURO OPTIC, believe they have this scope in stock. If your not already locked in. Just re checked and sorry for the misleading its the old model V Thanks, but I'm a Hunter Ed instructor, so I get a good deal directly from Burris and many manufacturers. There is sometimes a wait and we are limited to one optic per year for personal use from Burris, but I can't beat the price. I'm more than willing to wait. By the way, for others, when I went to the EURO OPTIC site, I could only find the older version, not the Eliminator 6.
|
|
|
Post by SURESHOT on May 8, 2024 10:38:11 GMT -5
At EURO OPTIC, believe they have this scope in stock. If your not already locked in. Just re checked and sorry for the misleading its the old model V Thanks, but I'm a Hunter Ed instructor, so I get a good deal directly from Burris and many manufacturers. There is sometimes a wait and we are limited to one optic per year for personal use from Burris, but I can't beat the price. I'm more than willing to wait. By the way, for others, when I went to the EURO OPTIC site, I could only find the older version, not the Eliminator 6. Yea as I mention or added to my post that after re checking the site they were the older model scopes , I do get a discount on all their products,
|
|
|
Post by yoderjac on Jun 20, 2024 15:45:34 GMT -5
Well, it is Mid-June, so I sent an email to Burris. The responded quickly saying the new estimated date is late Aug. That won't give me much time to play with it. September is a busy month and archery season starts in early Oct here.
|
|
|
Post by yoderjac on Jun 24, 2024 14:58:45 GMT -5
Well, it is Mid-June, so I sent an email to Burris. The responded quickly saying the new estimated date is late Aug. That won't give me much time to play with it. September is a busy month and archery season starts in early Oct here. This is promising...It was less than a week ago when they responded to my email with late Aug as the new estimate. Today, I received an email saying that they have assigned an item number to my order number and asked for the CVV on the credit card so they could charge it. I presume this means that they are getting ready to ship it.
|
|
|
Post by yoderjac on Jun 30, 2024 12:29:39 GMT -5
It finally arrived! ![](//storage.proboards.com/6285892/thumbnailer/TLfjJjrEgaMWVntshDiY.png) I've only had a chance to open the box. Hopefully I can install it in the next couple weeks...More to come
|
|
|
Post by yoderjac on Jul 4, 2024 15:17:26 GMT -5
I found some time to do the basic installation today. I used a set of Hankins 1" high rings. They are super heavy duty. They have 3 torx screws per attachment point. I tried to follow the instructions that came with them. I first compared the scope to the Leupold for size and eye relief before removing it. It was easy to remove with the QR rings. I set it aside and installed the bases of the Hankins rings. I torqued them to the recommended 45-50 inch lbs. ![](//storage.proboards.com/6285892/thumbnailer/BUfHF0jckifhkBOaERep.png) Next, I placed a level on the Picatinny rail to make sure it was level in the gun vise. I also place and top of the lower half of the rings to make sure that was level. I used an old chalk line as a plumb bob and hung it next to the white overhead door background. I adjusted the scope for eye relief and then rotated it to make sure the vertical crosshair was aligned with the chalk line string. My Leupold had automatic leveling when I mounted it. I'm not sure if this Burris has this or not, but I did not want to mess with batteries or connecting apps or anything yet. ![](//storage.proboards.com/6285892/thumbnailer/cXgrQOPxEQNBHYsDiwSo.png) Once the scope was positioned properly, I applied the ring tops. The instructions said to torque them to 18 inch lbs, but my cheap torque wrench only goes down to 20 lbs. I figured 2 lbs would not be enough difference to cause a problem so I torqued them to 20 lbs in a crisscross pattern. ![](//storage.proboards.com/6285892/thumbnailer/pJvxnVaIDuhKoUtJJg0W.png) Once the scope was physically mounted, the next thing I did was bore site it. It was easy with an Encore. I simply removed the breach plug, looked through the barrel, and pointed it at a transformer on top of a pole about 1/4 mile away. I tried to center the transformer in the bore. The elevation was very close but the windage was off a bit. I adjusted both using the elevation and windage nobs. There is a small hole that allows you to insert a pen and re-zero the labels. With the basics done, I opened up and laid out all the accessories: ![](//storage.proboards.com/6285892/thumbnailer/zqZQddklMDljQxCYY0Vr.png) It comes with lens caps, a sun shade, a remote and batteries. I inserted the battery which went well. I then hit the range button to turn it on. I opened the app and was able to see it and connect to it. That's all for now. I'll try to enter ballistic data for my setup later. Here is the finished installation with the accessories installed except the remote. I'll have to do some thinking about how and where it install it. ![](//storage.proboards.com/6285892/thumbnailer/mhOsGhbxcstROHxBxIVC.png) Next Step... The Range!
|
|
|
Post by yoderjac on Jul 6, 2024 17:48:51 GMT -5
This Burris scope has an integrated ballistic calculator. One of the parameters is, of course, height above bore. I'm going to share my measurements and calculations. If you think I'm dong something wrong, let me know.
I measured the objective with calipers and it came out to 2.35 and the spec has 2.36. I measured the barrel with calipers and came out to 1". Next, I tried to measure the distance between the bottom of the objective and the top of the barrel, but my calipers were too short to reach in for an accurate measurement.
So, I decided to measure the tube instead. It came out to 1.32 inches which is close to the 34 mm spec. I then measured the distance between the bottom of the tube and top of the barrel and got .68 inches.
So, I calculated the height above bore as (Tube OD/2)+(Barrel OD/2)+Tube-to-barrel distance. I ended up with 1.85 inches. Does this sound right?
I started playing around with defining custom loads in the app. It has all kinds of parameters to enter, but I can't find caliber anywhere. I would think that would matter, but maybe it is embedded in the G1 coefficient somehow.
|
|
|
Post by gd357 on Jul 6, 2024 23:35:29 GMT -5
Sounds like you've got it right. Caliber shouldn't matter as long as your B.C. and velocity are dialed in (same BC and MV will have the same trajectory regardless of bullet diameter). Will be interested to see how it works at the range!
gd
|
|