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Post by Sideshow on May 6, 2023 21:43:58 GMT -5
Thank you ballistic !!!! What an asset you are to this Forum !!! You i Knew would respond with spot on info as usual . I wish more would also but i know the participation is slow these days . Theres much newbies to SML or even guys who are experianced hunters could learn from this thread id hoped . A scope can be a very expensive mistake . Its hard to buy more Pittmans when its tied up elsewhere !!! Is there a particular 3x12 you have in mind ?? That reticle truthfully was a bit more of what id like .
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Post by Sideshow on May 6, 2023 22:04:48 GMT -5
Nothing to add, I have no expensive optics and as previously stated, I have never had an optic fail me. I have been caught with a variable on the wrong power setting and that is part of the game, paying attention to what is happening and what your scope is set for. I have not had that mistake cost me an animal however. I think I could get away with a straight 4 or 6 power where I hunt in Virginia. I will say that I am a BIG fan of illuminated reticles. I use a cheap Konus Pro on my Scout and it has worked great. I will say that adding the lit reticle adds another thing to keep up with. Set the gun, look thru the crosshairs, and the reticle is set for daybreak......crap. All good stuff and adds to the excitement! Klook i too find a lighted reticle a Requirement once having got one . Most of my hunting requires one now that im Spoiled lol . I hope that Konus Pro hangs in there for you . Cameraland had a sale on a 1.5x6x42 30mm Konus Pro that was Very inexpensive as a combo w/rings . I took the chance but blew it up on a 50 cal 700ml shooting bh209 . I hope your luck is better . My hot load recoil is Very STIFF and i didnt know thats when it would shoot its Best , cold bore duplexed w/ T7,3f . The scope didnt like it . I usually leave my light off hunting a stand 1/2 click away from ready to shoot . Quieter . This helped me i hope you too ?? Years ago i found not to play with that power ring when bored too . Yes it cost me a dandy buck , a 12pt . In Michigan now ya see them now ya dont . Live and learn i suppose lol !!! You did good with what you volunteered here & sayin Hi . I hope you keep tabs on the thread too .
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Post by buckeye68 on May 6, 2023 23:38:10 GMT -5
I prefer both.
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Post by Sideshow on May 6, 2023 23:50:47 GMT -5
I can understand that for sure .
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Post by Sideshow on May 7, 2023 0:40:39 GMT -5
I've been using a VX-6HD 4-24X52 CDS-ZL2 SIDE FOCUS ILLUM. FIREDOT DUPLEX on my Hankins .45 Encore build. I'm primarily a hunter, but I love the light gathering and CDS. It has nice features for a hunter. The CDS simplifies things for me. My shots are also inside 300 yards and mostly inside 100 yards, but I still find this a good scope for hunting. I did have an issue early on with rings that came loose and that took me a while to diagnose, but the scope itself has held up well so far on the SML. I have a variety of Leupold scopes on other rifles and have never had an issue with them. Good for you yoderjac !!! I dont personally have a Leupold because the LGS that carries them is sky-high on everything !!! I know many love them so there has to be reasons for that too . Boy you got a whopper on that Encore !!! Thanks for speaking up .
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Post by Sideshow on May 7, 2023 0:50:47 GMT -5
I've never been a long range hunter. I've lived and hunted in TN my whole life where the majority of my shots have been inside 200 yards. I've made an annual trip to Kansas the last 10 years where 300-400 yard shots are normal, so I've practiced and am comfortable shooting to those ranges now. That being said my scope choice is Leupold. I know several on here are not fans of Leupold scopes, but they have performed well for me. I have two VX5HD scopes 3x15x44 and 3x15x56 on my rifles and a VX3HD 3.5x10x50 on my CVA Scout. They have good glass in my opinion and I really like the CDS dial. It makes it easy for me to dial to my yardage without having to think about how many clicks. I know there are nicer scopes, but these meet my needs and have been dependable for me. James72 then thats all that really matters is youve had good luck with them and are pleased . Ive never had a Loopie myself . It looks like youve got nice ones . Its good you popped in . Hope you get that barrel straightened out . Yes i think Sew is a pretty good shot too . He doesnt seem to fail showing us a nice rack to go along with those steaks & roasts . Sew and that 40 are a pretty good team !!!
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Post by yoderjac on May 7, 2023 9:41:20 GMT -5
I've been using a VX-6HD 4-24X52 CDS-ZL2 SIDE FOCUS ILLUM. FIREDOT DUPLEX on my Hankins .45 Encore build. I'm primarily a hunter, but I love the light gathering and CDS. It has nice features for a hunter. The CDS simplifies things for me. My shots are also inside 300 yards and mostly inside 100 yards, but I still find this a good scope for hunting. I did have an issue early on with rings that came loose and that took me a while to diagnose, but the scope itself has held up well so far on the SML. I have a variety of Leupold scopes on other rifles and have never had an issue with them. Good for you yoderjac !!! I dont personally have a Leupold because the LGS that carries them is sky-high on everything !!! I know many love them so there has to be reasons for that too . Boy you got a whopper on that Encore !!! Thanks for speaking up . Yes, the can be expensive. Fortunately, I'm a hunter education instructor, and they have pretty good pricing directly from Leupold for us. Leupold was one of the first, but there are now other scope manufacturers like Vortex that offer similar discounts. I started with Leupold scopes many years ago and have just never had a reason to change. While scopes are pretty simple to operate, in the heat of a hunt, every little thing can count. Using the same brand on most of my firearms means that I have to think about fewer things that a different from firearm to firearm. My muscle memory puts me in automatic mode allowing me to focus on the game I'm hunting. Using the TC Encore frame and similar Leupold scope models, means that my muzzleloader setup and .300 win mag setup during firearm season, operate very similarly after loading. I'm sure there are other scopes out there just as good or better than Leupold. At my age, it is becoming harder and harder to retrain myself, so unless I have problems in the future, I'll probably stick with Leupold. For full disclosure, I've only had an SML for a couple years now. I don't shoot competitively and only hit the range often enough to be confident in my shooting and equipment. So while this scope has held up well to the SML so far, the number of rounds through my SML is likely small compared to most. It probably sees as many or more rounds hunting than at the range each year now that I have it dialed in.
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Post by klook on May 7, 2023 21:25:00 GMT -5
Nothing to add, I have no expensive optics and as previously stated, I have never had an optic fail me. I have been caught with a variable on the wrong power setting and that is part of the game, paying attention to what is happening and what your scope is set for. I have not had that mistake cost me an animal however. I think I could get away with a straight 4 or 6 power where I hunt in Virginia. I will say that I am a BIG fan of illuminated reticles. I use a cheap Konus Pro on my Scout and it has worked great. I will say that adding the lit reticle adds another thing to keep up with. Set the gun, look thru the crosshairs, and the reticle is set for daybreak......crap. All good stuff and adds to the excitement! Klook i too find a lighted reticle a Requirement once having got one . Most of my hunting requires one now that im Spoiled lol . I hope that Konus Pro hangs in there for you . Cameraland had a sale on a 1.5x6x42 30mm Konus Pro that was Very inexpensive as a combo w/rings . I took the chance but blew it up on a 50 cal 700ml shooting bh209 . I hope your luck is better . My hot load recoil is Very STIFF and i didnt know thats when it would shoot its Best , cold bore duplexed w/ T7,3f . The scope didnt like it . I usually leave my light off hunting a stand 1/2 click away from ready to shoot . Quieter . This helped me i hope you too ?? Years ago i found not to play with that power ring when bored too . Yes it cost me a dandy buck , a 12pt . In Michigan now ya see them now ya dont . Live and learn i suppose lol !!! You did good with what you volunteered here & sayin Hi . I hope you keep tabs on the thread too .
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Post by klook on May 7, 2023 21:28:09 GMT -5
I know how cheap this thing is, the first year I had the Scout it had a Leupold on it. That was the year I used 65 grs of powder........not doing that again. I use 56 or 57 grs of IMR 4198 and HIS. The recoil is very manageable. Going to be experimenting with .40 cals and sabots this year but still no elephant loads. ITs just a deer.
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Post by Sideshow on May 7, 2023 21:51:42 GMT -5
I know how cheap this thing is, the first year I had the Scout it had a Leupold on it. That was the year I used 65 grs of powder........not doing that again. I use 56 or 57 grs of IMR 4198 and HIS. The recoil is very manageable. Going to be experimenting with .40 cals and sabots this year but still no elephant loads. ITs just a deer. I got all caught up in load development and didnt pay attention pushing 300s and 325s to stretch their legss with bc of a BARN . My fault i know . For $159 w/rings i gambled and lost . It was a nice scope just not gorrila stout. The T7,3f / bh209 duplex was far more than it could stand . I knew better but did it anyways . Gun loved it and the Konus didnt . The load you mention is a buddys favorite too . Its a smart load period . A little bit reduced loadings keeps real expensive scopes off the Needed list . Try that charge with a 250 gr 40 in a lt blue and youll be Very happy . Thats his go to hunting/accuracy favorite in a 45 sml .
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Post by buckeye68 on May 7, 2023 22:06:24 GMT -5
I thought I would add to my short but to the point answer.
In my opinion you need both. A hunting scope will not do things a target scope can see and a target scope will not find things that’s hunting scope can see.
Many moons ago I started off with a 2x7 Leupold shot gun scope mounted on a Remington 1100. Then after I went full-time using muzzleloaders, I upgraded to a 4.5x14x40 VX ll and it was mounted on a Knight 50 cal. I always wanted more power after finding my self shooting deer on 14 power. Then I found a 6.5x20x40 VX lll with target knobs. It was great, but had to unscrew the elevation cap to adjust for different yardages and in the woods that wasn’t going to happen when it’s time to shoot a deer. It worked and I still have both scopes.
Now that I’ve upgraded to an SML, I wanted something better that was more user-friendly and something that would hold up to the recoil that the SML produces. After some research, I bought a NF ATACR 5x25X56. I personally think it is the perfect power range for a hunting scope. I’ve shot deer at the base of my tree I was sitting in with no problem finding them in the radical.
Last year I picked up a NF ATACR 7x35x56 in a Mils. Up to this point in my life, I’ve only used MOA and SPS. Long story short, my NF 5x25 took a bad hit and I had to send it in for repairs and I found myself without a hunting scope. I mounted the 7x35 on Loud Mouth. Yes, it’s a lot of scope for the size of the 17” barrel, but the gun was balanced extremely well. I was a little worried that 7 power was going to be too much power for hunting in the woods in Tennessee but it’s all I had. Turns out I shot 12 deer with the combo and the closest deer was 30 feet. The longest shot was 210 yards. I did turn up the scope to 20 something but I was really happy with the setup. 35 power was great for the bench. I will say my transition to Mils was very easy to learn.
For the bench I use an NF 15x55x52 with a fine cross hair with a dot. Awesome scope for a 22 and my muzzler loader shooting at 750 yards. There’s nothing like shooting at 400 yards at the KY Challenge and you can see your bullet holes in your target. Also, I can turn it up to 55 power when I’m shooting at 50 yards with my 22 at a little tiny dot and can see it better then when you holding it in your hand. Yes, 55 power does have its down falls with mirage but I can always turn it down if needed.
Mils VS MOA.
I would never use a Mils scope for the bench. You can and it will work but a MOA scope has finer adjustments than a Mil scope has. With the 7x35 Mil scope I found myself needing finer adjustment because with one click I would be on one side of the dot and another click I would be on the other side of the dot. If shooting steel this would not be a problem. If it was an MOA scope with .125 adjustments it wouldn’t be a problem taking out the center of the dot.
I will say that a Mil scope is definitely easier to use for hunting when dialing.
This year I’m changing up my hunt scope again. I’m switching from SFP to FFP in Mils with a lighted reticle.. I’ll see how I do when a big buck is standing in front of me. Lots of time to get it figured out before hunting season gets here.
Hope this helps.
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Post by Sideshow on May 7, 2023 22:23:11 GMT -5
I thought I would add to my short but to the point answer. In my opinion you need both. A hunting scope will not do things a target scope can see and a target scope will not find things that’s hunting scope can see. Many moons ago I started off with a 2x7 Leupold shot gun scope mounted on a Remington 1100. Then after I went full-time using muzzleloaders, I upgraded to a 4.5x14x40 VX ll and it was mounted on a Knight 50 cal. I always wanted more power after finding my self shooting deer on 14 power. Then I found a 6.5x20x40 VX lll with target knobs. It was great, but had to unscrew the elevation cap to adjust for different yardages and in the woods that wasn’t going to happen when it’s time to shoot a deer. It worked and I still have both scopes. Now that I’ve upgraded to an SML, I wanted something better that was more user-friendly and something that would hold up to the recoil that the SML produces. After some research, I bought a NF ATACR 5x25X56. I personally think it is the perfect power range for a hunting scope. I’ve shot deer at the base of my tree I was sitting in with no problem finding them in the radical. Last year I picked up a NF ATACR 7x35x56 in a Mils. Up to this point in my life, I’ve only used MOA and SPS. Long story short, my NF 5x25 took a bad hit and I had to send it in for repairs and I found myself without a hunting scope. I mounted the 7x35 on Loud Mouth. Yes, it’s a lot of scope for the size of the 17” barrel, but the gun was balanced extremely well. I was a little worried that 7 power was going to be too much power for hunting in the woods in Tennessee but it’s all I had. Turns out I shot 12 deer with the combo and the closest deer was 30 feet. The longest shot was 210 yards. I did turn up the scope to 20 something but I was really happy with the setup. 35 power was great for the bench. I will say my transition to Mils was very easy to learn. For the bench I use an NF 15x55x52 with a fine cross hair with a dot. Awesome scope for a 22 and my muzzler loader shooting at 750 yards. There’s nothing like shooting at 400 yards at the KY Challenge and you can see your bullet holes in your target. Also, I can turn it up to 55 power when I’m shooting at 50 yards with my 22 at a little tiny dot and can see it better then when you holding it in your hand. Yes, 55 power does have its down falls with mirage but I can always turn it down if needed. Mils VS MOA. I would never use a Mils scope for the bench. You can and it will work but a MOA scope has finer adjustments than a Mil scope has. With the 7x35 Mil scope I found myself needing finer adjustment because with one click I would be on one side of the dot and another click I would be on the other side of the dot. If shooting steel this would not be a problem. If it was an MOA scope with .125 adjustments it wouldn’t be a problem taking out the center of the dot. I will say that a Mil scope is definitely easier to use for hunting when dialing. This year I’m changing up my hunt scope again. I’m switching from SFP to FFP in Mils with a lighted reticle.. I’ll see how I do when a big buck is standing in front of me. Lots of time to get it figured out before hunting season gets here. Hope this helps. Buckeye68 that was very good and im sure many will appreciate your input . Glad you expanded on your thoughts and returned to express them . I think the hows and whys are a very good thing to discuss of a scopes abilities or short falls . I hope this thread will help many now and in times to come . Thank you . How do you guys use / tolerate all that magnification up close ?? Id honestly like to know this ?? Could you help us know what you do ?? Im baffled....all i see is a sea of hair and their roots !!! 12 deer theres gotta be a way . Outstanding season !!!
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Post by buckeye68 on May 7, 2023 23:15:51 GMT -5
It’s not a problem at all when they are that close. I can see them on 7 power when hunting in the heavy brush/woods in Tennessee. I always take a head shot anyways.
Maybe that’s the difference between a lower end scope than a NF??
I will find out this coming seasons because I’ve switch to a Arken EP5 FFP scope.
I will have my NF ready to bolt on just in case I have issues when I’m hunting out of town.
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Post by SURESHOT on May 8, 2023 11:34:52 GMT -5
AN older man told me years ago with scopes if you cannot see it you cannot shoot it, Now at that time we were talking early and late light with Schmidt & Bender scopes,, lots of great scopes to pick from now. With early and late light some stand out way above others, Swarovski, Zeiss, Meopta, and some others, Vortex has a good scope but come late light its not my pick. all the scopes look good during daylight but the true test is low light, I like VARIABLE scopes SFP, say 3x25x50/56 30 mm tube, Nightforce is good have a few but hunting I like the SWAROVISKI/ MEOPTA and S/B My muzzle loaders are very fine equipment made by a fantastic Muzzleloader builder, so I installed a great scopes, If I cannot see it I cannot shoot (at) it, may it be 50 yards,700 yards depending the time of day. target or game and let me say the pocket book is everything..............
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Post by Sideshow on May 8, 2023 16:54:35 GMT -5
I think this FFP vs SFP scope thing needs looked at a whole lot deeper for those who dont know the difference or a guy thats right on the edge of Both of their Strengths vs Weaknesses . A SFP reticle is Always the same size vs viewed image . Low power to high magnification The reticle is the same size . BDC marks are usually only accurate at the highest power . I Prefer a thicker heavy duplex here for better low light visibility or moving animals . Theres also 1 less lens that improves light transmission . These are more traditional scopes used for ages . A fixed power also is SFP . Very simple and familiar . A good choice short to medium range . High dollar/quality ones USED to be found Far more easily . STILL the King of competitive shooting . Glass is ONLY ONE ASPECT !!!
As far as i am concerned a scopes ability to Hold Zero AND LIVE is its Truest Form of QUALITY AND REPEATABLE ACCURACY . Years ago Burris introduced a Locking Mechanism call POSI-STOP . Those to me were the last word on Tough . Sadly its no longer available . Not terribly expensive either .
The scopes that have a constant size illuminated dot (SFP) and are otherwise FFP have introduced a 3RD TYPE HYBRED SCOPE
Ok FFP scopes the reticle image grows or is magnified by the power ring as you zoom in . These are most often today more so tatical or taget scopes . BIG POWER JOBS !!! They got all the little marks that grow to visibility when more magnification is chosen . Usually those marks cant be seen when on lower powers . The reticles tend to be very fine lines . Thats needed because they grow as more power is selected . Sometimes there is no center cross but a dot only . This is whats needed for true distance shooting . Oh yea because the reticle grows in direct correlation with magnification the little sighting marks hold true as long as you can see them . Unless eqiuped with illumination these arent low light scopes by large . Far too fine of reticles IMO and usually a hinderance in thicker cover for most people . Mid day huntng a calm out in the open animal where time can be taken are these scopes strongest points i think . Many guys here like them alot . Kinda a development from sniping or the "True Western" hunter long range thing gone popular today for hunters . I dont always agree .
My Zeiss Diavari 1.5x6x42x30mm on a 300wm is in FFP with a GERMAN HVY duplex . For me its a love / hate thing . The near 30yr old scope is the closest thing to night vision a guy could hope for . Its not lighted as that came out 3 yrs later . FFP i believe is Wrong for this scope . The reticle does opposite of what it should IMO . ITS TRULY MY ONLY COMPLAINT and at the time i didnt know the Difference . Lighted reticle i do miss too . Its discontinued but in todays $$$ the cost would be above 2600 . Great scope wrong focal plane purchased after polling outfitters around the globe on what they Wished clients showed up with on cf high power rifles, i.e. low power (2x7). Think i will stop right here ......
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Post by hillbill on May 8, 2023 18:57:47 GMT -5
I know you are an advocate of lower power scopes but I think the majority of guys here got into this game to have the ability to shoot animals at extended range
I know I did 0-200 can be done with a smoker or a shotgun for the most part. Do I need a big 6-24 or 5-25 to hunt the animals I hunt? Most of the time, No.
But several times that extra power comes in very handy, it certainly did when Kyle and I were in Colorado When I’m hunting corn or bean fields in Ohio or Illinois I need that power to inspect a buck to know IF I want to take the safety off.
These scopes also pull double duty as Target scopes quite often Can a scope do both well? Yes I think so , optimal at either discipline? Nope but mine work pretty well at both. Enough so that all my SML guns wear something similar, not so much for close range or running shots, my guns are not used for such.
Yes I have low power scopes on some Savage 99s, some ARs and such and have made some surprising shots on running animals with these guns.
Yes I can easily take a deer in the woods at 30 yds with my 6x24 scope, keep it turned down and all is well.
I find a 3-18, 4x14, 6x24 or 5x25 all very useful for my needs and I hunt woods and open spaces
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Post by yoderjac on May 8, 2023 20:03:50 GMT -5
I know you are an advocate of lower power scopes but I think the majority of guys here got into this game to have the ability to shoot animals at extended range I know I did 0-200 can be done with a smoker or a shotgun for the most part. Do I need a big 6-24 or 5-25 to hunt the animals I hunt? Most of the time, No. But several times that extra power comes in very handy, it certainly did when Kyle and I were in Colorado When I’m hunting corn or bean fields in Ohio or Illinois I need that power to inspect a buck to know IF I want to take the safety off. These scopes also pull double duty as Target scopes quite often Can a scope do both well? Yes I think so , optimal at either discipline? Nope but mine work pretty well at both. Enough so that all my SML guns wear something similar, not so much for close range or running shots, my guns are not used for such. Yes I have low power scopes on some Savage 99s, some ARs and such and have made some surprising shots on running animals with these guns. Yes I can easily take a deer in the woods at 30 yds with my 6x24 scope, keep it turned down and all is well. I find a 3-18, 4x14, 6x24 or 5x25 all very useful for my needs and I hunt woods and open spaces I tend to agree. I've never even considered a running shot myself. I always keep my scope on low power when hunting. It is unusual for me to turn it up to the highest power. As you say, I've done it for field judging in some cases, but typically at my distances, I back it off before the shot. It is rare for me to use high power but it is really nice to know it is there in the rare cases where I need it.
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Post by gd357 on May 8, 2023 20:58:26 GMT -5
The majority of my guns carry hunting style scopes, sfp usually around 4.5-14, 4-16 etc. When I'm hunting they stay at the bottom end unless the shot gets longer, its tough to try and dial down a scope when a deer is running. Also, most of the scopes have a ballistic reticle, so there are references for longer range shots. I have recently picked up a few target scopes that are ffp and are higher magnification. Unfortunately, I haven't had much chance to test them out yet. If you're shooting long range more magnification is usually welcome. Exposed turrets are nice as well, although they could get bumped off vs. capped turrets. My 308 now wears a target scope, so I'll get some time in the woods with one this fall (I hope). There's definitely positive aspects of both types of scopes, and it's nice to have the options to meet your specific needs for a particular gun. gd
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Post by Sideshow on May 9, 2023 0:19:57 GMT -5
I thought that this would get some activity . Good !!! Id say over 200 is the point where we seem to agree on as the beginning of extended range ?? Id think so . To say that a fellow cant shoot further under field conditions with lower power scopes isnt feesable i dont beleve this as ive done it and shared how to easier . Not all of us send 325s at 3000 and find huge power scopes needed . My entire point is for many here its not needed . Or maybe even Best . This group needs a honest look at the very real differences in scope choice . After being presented with that better personalized decisions can be made . Big power scopes are indeed cool . I have one , a 8x40x56 30mm F-Class scope . I dont think ive ever taken a shot with it uncradled in only my hands ever . Its a PITA when ive had too much coffee let alone adreneline while on the bench !!! Groundhogs or yotes dont rattle me . I dont or many others here truth be told dont hunt from a elevated shooting platform either thats deluxe for that . The toughest hunter thats shared his exploits does shoot prone and thats Ballistic hands down with bh209 too long distance under deplorable conditions . He too says he doesnt always crank up the power as well as alot of info which has been great . Our Guys with CVAs need to know there are options as well or lighter contour barrel nut boys . Several shoot reduced here . I also still -hunt and Can make shots on running deer . My scope choice is a BIG FACTOR and a lighter gun !!!
This thread is about a HONEST and FAIR evaluation to whats available and how they work . The NUTS , BOLTS , AND WHYS Of Scopes . Thats why I started it . And yes i Am a proponent of lower powered optics Yet i listed 2 that have more ,twiice the magnification without Sacraficeing Anything down low . Ive taken deer at just over 600 with a plain ole duplex nothin fancy on 6x . I drilled the matrarch doe kitty-corner across a powerline cut 432yds of my approximently 1 yard paces and dropped her on 1.5x . It can be done and many before me have too . Id bet under Real field conditions my F-Class wouldve been Useless to ME . I dont do prone . Many guys may lean against a tree like i did . I dont care to see which 2 hairs im gonna part im busy . . Theres room for Everybody and they are already Here and growing . Thats the point . Share information . We dont hunt the same ways or places . Nuts , Bolts , and WHYs !!!
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Post by ballistic on May 9, 2023 7:50:55 GMT -5
See Attached Pics. This is why I run MIL/MIL in FFP. My zero is 300 yards. This chart is actually for my .40 cal muzzy. This is same type of chart that I made up for steel comps but works great for hunting. Since mils work in 1,s and 10,s it’s easier for my tiny brain once the yardage is known. Look at the longer ranges past 700 yards. 850 yards is 8.2 mils and it was fast and easy to figure it out. On the closer ranges where there’s 80 yards between 1/2 mils - again easy. If your off .1 click it doesn’t matter -it’s still a hit. Here’s the other benefit of having this chart and having a reticle in FFP. The deer/elk keeps walking further and further away and stops briefly and keeps going. You don’t have time really to dial up. Use the holdover in the reticle =game over. I have done this many a time. I hope this explains why I prefer a FFP scope with holdovers in a reticle. This chart can be changed and will need changes (at least for me) as I might be hunting at 2000’ and 90 degrees and the next day at 11,000’ and 20 degrees.
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