Post by flagman on Jul 17, 2015 10:06:18 GMT -5
This is a note to my sons who are both married and have shot my muzzleloaders when they young and have both killed bull elk befor they were 13 yrs old, but thats been a while and I bought them each a new Remington Ultimate 50 caliber muzzleloader, and will let them use my 45 HIS rifles as well. These Remingtons have a .519 bore and although good accuracy was obtained shooting a fouled bore at range, when left over night, the first shot would be up to 3" from dead center at 200 yards. I had success with using Hoppes and a cleaned barrel, but the best over night and leaving a rifle loaded several days was obtained by using Ballistol, a very lightly sprayed patch 2x and then 2 dry patches 2x, then load immediately, and shoot next day. I also tried brushing and dry patching and drying bore with Gun Scrubber, but these were ineffective on these rifles for leaving them loaded and shooting next day. Iam posting this for input as well as someone could use it for there own reference and edit for their own procedure. Ray
Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader
Priming system is case sold by Remington Arms Product # 24153, called "Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader Ignition Source" Phone 877-387-6691. The cases come primed and may used up to 5 times. Before depriming and priming, always look inside the case for powder leakage, do not reuse if black inisde. I prime with only Federal 215 LMR primers. I have given each of you 100 Starline Brass 45 Win Mag cases trimmed to fit your breech plugs, they are .020 thicker at base and seal better. Joe's gun has a new barrel that is snugger and can use the standard Remington cases fine. Steve's is ok with Remington cases as well, the Starline cases just seal better.
For bullets use Parker Productions Inc. .451 size 300 grain Match Hunter or 327 Match Hunter, available at Parkerproductionsinc.com. Use the sabots I provide for all bullets in hunting. For practice, use Hornady 300 grain SST bullets in the Hornady provided sabots. You must allow for barrel to cool before shooting the next shot, 3 shots back to back in temperatures above 70 degrees may require you to wait 45 minutes or more. I use my truck ac vents, laying the gun on the center console with muzzle stuck in vent, and closing all other vents, using ac on max and on high fan. Use only .450-.452 bullets with sabots to match. I also provided a 4" pvc pipe with cap that you can fill with ice and water and use the aluminum cooling rods I provided, wipe the rod COMPLETELY dry before inserting and never force down. Several minutes is good and you may have to use two rods to get the barrel cool in the chamber area. This allows you to shoot in hot weather, as if the barrels gets hot even warm the sabot will soften and "blow", accuracy will be lost.
Use only Blackhorn 209 Powder, no Pyrodex or Triple 7, loose powder or pellets. Use the volumetric measurer included, with the charge I recommend. Blackhorn is available at Sportsman Warehouse or Cabelas. 10 ounce is $35, I buy it 5 lb jugs from Midsouth Shooters Supply. After lots of testing, use 150 grains of Blackhorn 209 powder with the 300 grain Match Hunter bullet, this weighs 105 grains, .7 x 150 grains equals 100 grains weight. Weighing the charges is the only way I've found you can be accurate with the loads as thrown charges will vary up to 5-7 grains, which can be detrimental to accuracy. This load shoots 2270-2300 fps and the bullet has a bc of .418, actual bc is .410.
Use 2.5" patches for cleaning, Hoppes #9 or Hoppes Elite Gun Cleaner. For in between shot cleaning, VERY lightly spray Ballistol on both sides of one patch, then dry patch using two patches both sides. For hunting clean a fouled barrel as above, and reload immediately and leave loaded using a fired case on nipple with bolt closed. Push bullet all the way into sabot when loading, I orientate a petal of sabot in line with the ramrod to have a consistent loading procedure. Bronze brush between shots when shooting back to back without cleaning. Hoppes #9 solvent can be used for in between shot shooting, although Ballistol has proven more accurate, one very lightly wet patch and two dry patches both sides. DO NOT LET A WET PATCH go all the way to breech plug as this could allow solvent to contaminate powder in chamber area. Clean muzzle brake by removing brake and spraying solvent in all holes and running bronze brush and wet patches through center of brake, then allow to dry. Apply grease to barrel threads and reinstall brake. If shooting the gun without brake, put thread protector on muzzle threads.
Firing procedure. If gun was recently cleaned, fire a primer off to clear breech plug and chamber of solvent. Load powder through funnel. Place bullet in sabot and center over bore pushing sabot with bullet into the rifling, use short starter to push sabot with bullet several inches into the bore, using loading ramrod, push the round down the bore on to the powder charge, making sure you feel the round reach the powder and lightly compress, and notice the witness mark on the ramrod, if the witness mark is not all the way down, find out why, do not shoot the round off if the round is not seated on powder, this will bulge or cause barrel to erupt. If witness mark goes down into barrel, you probably forget the powder charge, which will require the breech plug to be removed and the bullet pushed out the bore from the muzzle or breech end. If all is ok, remove the loading ramrod and prime and shoot, if you shoot the rifle with ramrod left in the bore, you will ruin the barrel, I know as I have done this!
For thorough cleaning, breech plug should be removed every 50 shots or so. This is done with 5/16 deep socket I provided, you need a long extension on 1/4" drive or 3/8" to 1/4" adapter if using 3/8" drive. Do not force the plug out, if its stuck, the barrel may need to be heated to be removed, I can do this, the nipple on breech plug is small, as the 5/16" socket slips over it, so it can be twisted off, and you'll have to drill and easy out the plug and replace, I know, as I've done this. I have provided a spare breech plug. The threads on the inside of barrel need to be cleaned thoroughly with solvent and dried, then nickel antisieze applied before reinstalling, hand tighten 50lbs or so of torque. Do not use regular grease or so called muzzleloader breech plug grease.
I have provided a separate long rod for cleaning which has a cleaning tip on one end and a bronze brush on the other end. Another ramrod is included for loading when shooting. This allows the ramrod on rifle to stay on the rifle and not removed for cleaning or loading and used only in the field for hunting.
The trigger is adjustable without removing the rifle from stock. The adjustment screw is on the back side of tigger shoe, inside the trigger guard. A small allen wrench is included with the rifle, screw in to increase pressure and out to decrease pressure. I have changed out the main trigger spring and set the pull weight to 3.0 lbs, which is light, you may want it heavier in a hunting situation where fingers will go numb from buck fever!
45 caliber shooting full form sized bullets, 310 grain Arrowhead Sporting Goods .458 bullet sized through a section of barrel in Swinglock die. Use Alox stick lube on bullets, 1x through die for clean barrel and 3x through die for the follow up shot bullets. Clean with Hoppes #9, one lightly wet and two dry patches both sides, then run a patch with gun scrubber or brake clean down bore both sides and one dry patch both sides for in between shots. You can shoot up to 3 shots without cleaning, the follow up shots will be sized a little smaller. Use 143.5 grains of Blackhorn 209, this weighs 100 grains and this is what I refer as a 100 grain load. Blackhorn 209 weighs 70% of its volumetric thrown charge so .7 x 143.5 equals 100 grains weight. To load, hold bullet in your fingers and turn over rifling until bullet falls slightly into barrel lands, then use short starter to push bullet into barrel, seat with loading ramrod compressing on powder. If you use the bullet for a clean barrel for the follow up shots you may get the bullet stuck and have to hammer it down or pull breech plug to remove powder and bullet, this is messy and care should be taken to not do this, go slow and always be thinking. Brushing between followup shots makes loading very easy, but not practical in a hunting situation. I shoot by myself as to not get distracted. This load shoots 2350 fps with the 310 grain .458 bullet which has a bc of .40. You do not have to wait for barrel to cool between shots, just shoot and clean, shoot and clean. I have provided a separate cleaning rod with 45 caliber jag and brush for this rifle so you don't have to switch jags and brushes. The Hankins breech plug requires a 1/2" socket to remove, here again use only nickel anti-seize on threads. If the plug on either rifle appears stuck, remove action from stock and apply heat to plug area, just enough to heat barrel around plug threads, it should come out. Sometimes a long pipe on ratchet handle with downward pressure on socket will be required. Worst case would be to remove barrel and drill out and easy out plug, with proper maintenance this should not be necessary. Dad
Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader
Priming system is case sold by Remington Arms Product # 24153, called "Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader Ignition Source" Phone 877-387-6691. The cases come primed and may used up to 5 times. Before depriming and priming, always look inside the case for powder leakage, do not reuse if black inisde. I prime with only Federal 215 LMR primers. I have given each of you 100 Starline Brass 45 Win Mag cases trimmed to fit your breech plugs, they are .020 thicker at base and seal better. Joe's gun has a new barrel that is snugger and can use the standard Remington cases fine. Steve's is ok with Remington cases as well, the Starline cases just seal better.
For bullets use Parker Productions Inc. .451 size 300 grain Match Hunter or 327 Match Hunter, available at Parkerproductionsinc.com. Use the sabots I provide for all bullets in hunting. For practice, use Hornady 300 grain SST bullets in the Hornady provided sabots. You must allow for barrel to cool before shooting the next shot, 3 shots back to back in temperatures above 70 degrees may require you to wait 45 minutes or more. I use my truck ac vents, laying the gun on the center console with muzzle stuck in vent, and closing all other vents, using ac on max and on high fan. Use only .450-.452 bullets with sabots to match. I also provided a 4" pvc pipe with cap that you can fill with ice and water and use the aluminum cooling rods I provided, wipe the rod COMPLETELY dry before inserting and never force down. Several minutes is good and you may have to use two rods to get the barrel cool in the chamber area. This allows you to shoot in hot weather, as if the barrels gets hot even warm the sabot will soften and "blow", accuracy will be lost.
Use only Blackhorn 209 Powder, no Pyrodex or Triple 7, loose powder or pellets. Use the volumetric measurer included, with the charge I recommend. Blackhorn is available at Sportsman Warehouse or Cabelas. 10 ounce is $35, I buy it 5 lb jugs from Midsouth Shooters Supply. After lots of testing, use 150 grains of Blackhorn 209 powder with the 300 grain Match Hunter bullet, this weighs 105 grains, .7 x 150 grains equals 100 grains weight. Weighing the charges is the only way I've found you can be accurate with the loads as thrown charges will vary up to 5-7 grains, which can be detrimental to accuracy. This load shoots 2270-2300 fps and the bullet has a bc of .418, actual bc is .410.
Use 2.5" patches for cleaning, Hoppes #9 or Hoppes Elite Gun Cleaner. For in between shot cleaning, VERY lightly spray Ballistol on both sides of one patch, then dry patch using two patches both sides. For hunting clean a fouled barrel as above, and reload immediately and leave loaded using a fired case on nipple with bolt closed. Push bullet all the way into sabot when loading, I orientate a petal of sabot in line with the ramrod to have a consistent loading procedure. Bronze brush between shots when shooting back to back without cleaning. Hoppes #9 solvent can be used for in between shot shooting, although Ballistol has proven more accurate, one very lightly wet patch and two dry patches both sides. DO NOT LET A WET PATCH go all the way to breech plug as this could allow solvent to contaminate powder in chamber area. Clean muzzle brake by removing brake and spraying solvent in all holes and running bronze brush and wet patches through center of brake, then allow to dry. Apply grease to barrel threads and reinstall brake. If shooting the gun without brake, put thread protector on muzzle threads.
Firing procedure. If gun was recently cleaned, fire a primer off to clear breech plug and chamber of solvent. Load powder through funnel. Place bullet in sabot and center over bore pushing sabot with bullet into the rifling, use short starter to push sabot with bullet several inches into the bore, using loading ramrod, push the round down the bore on to the powder charge, making sure you feel the round reach the powder and lightly compress, and notice the witness mark on the ramrod, if the witness mark is not all the way down, find out why, do not shoot the round off if the round is not seated on powder, this will bulge or cause barrel to erupt. If witness mark goes down into barrel, you probably forget the powder charge, which will require the breech plug to be removed and the bullet pushed out the bore from the muzzle or breech end. If all is ok, remove the loading ramrod and prime and shoot, if you shoot the rifle with ramrod left in the bore, you will ruin the barrel, I know as I have done this!
For thorough cleaning, breech plug should be removed every 50 shots or so. This is done with 5/16 deep socket I provided, you need a long extension on 1/4" drive or 3/8" to 1/4" adapter if using 3/8" drive. Do not force the plug out, if its stuck, the barrel may need to be heated to be removed, I can do this, the nipple on breech plug is small, as the 5/16" socket slips over it, so it can be twisted off, and you'll have to drill and easy out the plug and replace, I know, as I've done this. I have provided a spare breech plug. The threads on the inside of barrel need to be cleaned thoroughly with solvent and dried, then nickel antisieze applied before reinstalling, hand tighten 50lbs or so of torque. Do not use regular grease or so called muzzleloader breech plug grease.
I have provided a separate long rod for cleaning which has a cleaning tip on one end and a bronze brush on the other end. Another ramrod is included for loading when shooting. This allows the ramrod on rifle to stay on the rifle and not removed for cleaning or loading and used only in the field for hunting.
The trigger is adjustable without removing the rifle from stock. The adjustment screw is on the back side of tigger shoe, inside the trigger guard. A small allen wrench is included with the rifle, screw in to increase pressure and out to decrease pressure. I have changed out the main trigger spring and set the pull weight to 3.0 lbs, which is light, you may want it heavier in a hunting situation where fingers will go numb from buck fever!
45 caliber shooting full form sized bullets, 310 grain Arrowhead Sporting Goods .458 bullet sized through a section of barrel in Swinglock die. Use Alox stick lube on bullets, 1x through die for clean barrel and 3x through die for the follow up shot bullets. Clean with Hoppes #9, one lightly wet and two dry patches both sides, then run a patch with gun scrubber or brake clean down bore both sides and one dry patch both sides for in between shots. You can shoot up to 3 shots without cleaning, the follow up shots will be sized a little smaller. Use 143.5 grains of Blackhorn 209, this weighs 100 grains and this is what I refer as a 100 grain load. Blackhorn 209 weighs 70% of its volumetric thrown charge so .7 x 143.5 equals 100 grains weight. To load, hold bullet in your fingers and turn over rifling until bullet falls slightly into barrel lands, then use short starter to push bullet into barrel, seat with loading ramrod compressing on powder. If you use the bullet for a clean barrel for the follow up shots you may get the bullet stuck and have to hammer it down or pull breech plug to remove powder and bullet, this is messy and care should be taken to not do this, go slow and always be thinking. Brushing between followup shots makes loading very easy, but not practical in a hunting situation. I shoot by myself as to not get distracted. This load shoots 2350 fps with the 310 grain .458 bullet which has a bc of .40. You do not have to wait for barrel to cool between shots, just shoot and clean, shoot and clean. I have provided a separate cleaning rod with 45 caliber jag and brush for this rifle so you don't have to switch jags and brushes. The Hankins breech plug requires a 1/2" socket to remove, here again use only nickel anti-seize on threads. If the plug on either rifle appears stuck, remove action from stock and apply heat to plug area, just enough to heat barrel around plug threads, it should come out. Sometimes a long pipe on ratchet handle with downward pressure on socket will be required. Worst case would be to remove barrel and drill out and easy out plug, with proper maintenance this should not be necessary. Dad
