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Post by tar12 on Jan 27, 2023 19:41:54 GMT -5
Is there a minumum powder charge for this set up?
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Post by smokepolehall on Jan 27, 2023 20:38:47 GMT -5
Yes n no, depends on the powder you want to use. Too little n you starve it, too much it would blow. I assume you have a .45, H4198 you could shoot 45 gr n go up to maybe 65. I don't own one so i am just putting this out as an example. Also it depends on the bullet weight. VV110 you could start at 30 gr n ease on up to 38 maybe, also it workss along with the bullet weight your going to use
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Post by bluedog on Jan 27, 2023 20:53:17 GMT -5
There is a minimum if you have HIS in a Break Action 45-70 conversion! The powder chamber (remaining portion of the 45-70 chamber not occupied by the HIS plug) must be filled so that the sabot or bullet remains in the rifled portion of the barrel. I'm pretty sure that 30 grains, likely 38 grains as well, of N110 will NOT fill the chamber.
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Post by buckeye68 on Jan 27, 2023 21:28:47 GMT -5
There’s definitely a minimum.
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Post by tar12 on Jan 28, 2023 6:55:45 GMT -5
There is a minimum if you have HIS in a Break Action 45-70 conversion! The powder chamber (remaining portion of the 45-70 chamber not occupied by the HIS plug) must be filled so that the sabot or bullet remains in the rifled portion of the barrel. I'm pretty sure that 30 grains, likely 38 grains as well, of N110 will NOT fill the chamber. My son got the break action 45-70 conversion with the HIS and we are gathering up componets to get it set up and I stumbled across a thread on here about making sure the powder charge is enough to fill the chamber and I was wondering what enough was? I have only shot Sav./Pacs that I put together in the past and this was never a issue...we have N120 on hand.. |
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Post by tar12 on Jan 28, 2023 12:51:15 GMT -5
Is there a minumum powder charge for this set up? Yes there is a minimum charge as all these conversions have a bit of a chamber. IE the remainder of the 45-70ca Se. With 4198 I would start at a min. Of 55gr but would suggest finding out for sure how much of a chamber your rifle has. It isn't that hard to figure out and will save you headaches down the road How do you figure out how much chamber you have? |
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Post by billc on Jan 28, 2023 13:18:08 GMT -5
I'm getting a Scout built. I will take my borescope and make measurements from breach face and chamber end to muzzle. I will be shooting 37 gr of N110 that I'll put in barrel under a veggie wad, then take more measurements of what I see. I want empirical data not calculations.
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Post by tar12 on Jan 28, 2023 13:45:30 GMT -5
I'm getting a Scout built. I will take my borescope and make measurements from breach face and chamber end to muzzle. I will be shooting 37 gr of N110 that I'll put in barrel under a veggie wad, then take more measurements of what I see. I want empirical data not calculations. I would be interested in those results... |
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Post by buckeye68 on Jan 28, 2023 15:46:25 GMT -5
I'm getting a Scout built. I will take my borescope and make measurements from breach face and chamber end to muzzle. I will be shooting 37 gr of N110 that I'll put in barrel under a veggie wad, then take more measurements of what I see. I want empirical data not calculations. I would be interested in those results... Every gun is different. Check it yourself. Yes, a bore scope is nice but not necessary. A flashlight, bullet, tape, ram rod and something to remove the breech plug. |
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Post by tar12 on Jan 28, 2023 18:34:49 GMT -5
Tar12 you may get by with that small amount of powder with a longer plug. The adg plug is longer than Hanks plugs and I believe Hank has any style you want. Others have gone this route Thanks for the input...does going with a different plug require further machining? I assume it does.. |
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Post by buckstuds on Jan 28, 2023 18:36:19 GMT -5
My black blued scout is good with 55 gr of 4198. On a spent his primer, load your gun with a tight bullet. Pull plug and dump out powder. Look to see the bottom of your bullet. Easy to do and only cost a powder charge or two.
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Post by bluedog on Jan 28, 2023 20:14:44 GMT -5
I believe buckstuds response is a sure fire method to determine where your loaded bullet ends up regardless of what powder or plug is used. Of course the OP indicated, I believe, that he has the HIS plug. If it is HIS there is no need to use a spent primer, don't put any module in, not needed. There is a lot of talk about the longer plug allowing small charges but I don't have any definitive idea how much. The longer ASG plug holds powder all along most of that length and, if I remember correctly, Hankins version of the longer ASG plug has a larger internal capacity than the original ASG plug and likely may hold more powder inside the plug. Until someone sorts it all out I think what buckstuds stated is the way to check.
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Post by buckeye68 on Jan 28, 2023 20:34:07 GMT -5
I removed the plug my CVA Hankins conversation. Picture is just a empty barrel but you can see the rifling.  I pushed a bullet down the barrel and the bullet is still in the rifling but just above the powder chamber.  Here’s a picture with the bullet inside the power chamber. Not what you want. This will not be good for the barrel or the shooter.  The last picture is how is mark my ram rod with tape. I make sure I never go below this mark.  As posted above you can start low and work your way up or you can start high and work your way down and never let the mark go inside the brake. Hope this helps. Once you know what the minimum is, write it down and never go below that number. |
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Post by tar12 on Jan 28, 2023 22:46:09 GMT -5
Thanks for the visual buckeye..
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Post by tar12 on Jan 28, 2023 22:47:56 GMT -5
My black blued scout is good with 55 gr of 4198. On a spent his primer, load your gun with a tight bullet. Pull plug and dump out powder. Look to see the bottom of your bullet. Easy to do and only cost a powder charge or two. I like that idea and will try it! |
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Post by lbahunter on Jan 29, 2023 0:47:16 GMT -5
hanksprecisiongunparts.com/p/asg-direct-replacement-plug-with-the-hankins-dis-ignition-system-direct-ignition-systemMy black blue Scout is set up for lighter sabot loads. It has the longer DI plug from Hankins. It takes most of the 45-70 chamber out. My powder of choice is N110. I shoot bullets mainly from 180gr to 225gr. Everything I have shot has been accurate. My main load as of now is N110 with a resized Barnes 41mag 180gr with HLBS and a Maine wad. It really doesn't need the wad so when I use them up probably won't get anymore. I want to try the Fury 41 210gr bullet because the Barnes bullet are getting hard to find. The Barnes 41 180gr will make 2 holes. I think the Fury 41 210gr will do just as good as the Barnes. Plus, it will be easier to find and cheaper. Side note: N110 with a lightly knurled Barnes 10mm 155gr in a HLBS with a Maine wad. You can look through the scope, line up reticle, pull trigger and a hole magically appears in the target
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Post by lbahunter on Jan 29, 2023 3:52:05 GMT -5
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