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Post by encore50a on Jan 23, 2023 19:48:39 GMT -5
For those who may be interested. People are working on things now and attempting to finalize the date and rules. I assume the dates will be June 10th and 11th. There should be a flyer coming out when things are finalized. PROPOSED.............
Inaugural Smokeless Muzzleloader Long Range Match June  ? 2023 Camp Atterbury
3008 Old Hospital Road, Edinburgh, IN. 46124
www.atterburymuscatatuck.in.ng.mil/.../About-Camp.../Course of fire: 5 relays over two days. 800, 900 and 1,000yds on Saturday Two relays at 1,000yds on Sunday 10 shots for score for each relay. Unlimited sighters, with the last 3 being converted for score in reverse order if chosen. Pair firing with 1 hour for 2 shooters. Rules: Safe conduct of all matches and activities shall be foremost. Any person conducting themselves in an unsafe manner will be asked to leave. Rifle muzzles must be pointed UP at all times, actions open, when not in position to fire. Rifles MUST be designed and built to shoot smokeless propellants. Questionable rifles will be reviewed for final approval. Rifle and scope cannot exceed 17#. Muzzle brakes are allowed. No direct ignition systems.
All shooting will be from the prone position. Bipod or front rest. NO REAR SUPPORT. Eye and hearing protection required. Recommendations: Shooting mat or tarp for wet grass Rain Gear……Pop-up canopy………..Loading table Bring a chair, food, water, rain gear etc. as there is no stopping for lunch. |
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Post by nick50471 on Jan 24, 2023 11:34:12 GMT -5
The 17lb limit and no rear rest for a long range match aren’t exactly ideal. Front rest but no rear rear at all?
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Post by Richard on Jan 24, 2023 13:41:02 GMT -5
+1
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Post by encore50a on Jan 24, 2023 14:05:09 GMT -5
The 17lb limit and no rear rest for a long range match aren’t exactly ideal. Front rest but no rear rear at all? National rules, I'm sorry for those who need a rear rest. On the other hand, we did the same exact match with 120grs VOLUME of BH209, but off cross sticks last June, with no rear rest/support. This could be the start of something to go National. It needs shooters. |
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Post by ballistic on Jan 24, 2023 14:18:33 GMT -5
The 17lb limit and no rear rest for a long range match aren’t exactly ideal. Front rest but no rear rear at all? I agree on the rear rear not being allowed. That will surely make 1000 yard shots difficult. I also saw that direct ignition won’t be allowed. Is this a safety concern for loading/reloading? Just curious. It’s actually nice to see someone put an event together like this -wish I lived closer. |
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Post by encore50a on Jan 24, 2023 14:46:08 GMT -5
The 17lb limit and no rear rest for a long range match aren’t exactly ideal. Front rest but no rear rear at all? I agree on the rear rear not being allowed. That will surely make 1000 yard shots difficult. I also saw that direct ignition won’t be allowed. Is this a safety concern for loading/reloading? Just curious. It’s actually nice to see someone put an event together like this -wish I lived closer. Yes, DI would be a safety concern. Rules for just about any organized match are that you can not prime until in the shooting position. Also, its a timed event, where it will be pair shooting. Each pair will have 1hr for the relay, or 30min each. Sending 10 rounds for score plus any sighters means 3min between rounds. |
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Post by jeepeater on Jan 24, 2023 16:41:14 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure the direct ignition guys have it down to a science, but rules are rules.
I hate to think about having to shoot 800+ yards with no rear support. I’m pretty sure I could manage a few decent shots, but the recoil is gonna get brutal after a few.
I’d come check it out if it were closer, good luck.
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Post by Kyle on Jan 24, 2023 17:07:06 GMT -5
Guys send 3 shots down range in 8 minutes with direct, loading on inert DI bolts.
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Post by encore50a on Jan 24, 2023 17:26:15 GMT -5
Guys send 3 shots down range in 8 minutes with direct, loading on inert DI bolts. Maybe they could do it getting up and down from the prone position off a mat? When not in the shooting position, barrels must be pointed up. Everything would have to be completed in the prone position, which would be pretty tough. However, the rule makers seem to think DI shouldn't be included. Rules are rules, especially for an inaugural official match. After the match is held, there could be some things changed but, ,,,, foot in the door first. |
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Post by jeepeater on Jan 24, 2023 17:42:39 GMT -5
Guys send 3 shots down range in 8 minutes with direct, loading on inert DI bolts. Maybe they could do it getting up and down from the prone position off a mat? When not in the shooting position, barrels must be pointed up. Everything would have to be completed in the prone position, which would be pretty tough. However, the rule makers seem to think DI shouldn't be included. Rules are rules, especially for an inaugural official match. After the match is held, there could be some things changed but, ,,,, foot in the door first. Who’s making these rules? The reason I ask is they don’t seem to be very knowledgeable on direct ignition. I don’t even shoot DI, but I know guys do it safely, and it doesn’t take them long to safely reload. There’s not much difference in loading with modules and loading a DI bolt other than the bolt screws in and out of the plug. It just seems like they’d want to include as many as they could if they want it to get going. Being so stringent is what hurts a lot of events before they even get going good. Just saying, if they want to make it a great inaugural event, participation is going to make a difference. |
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Post by buckeye68 on Jan 24, 2023 17:45:25 GMT -5
How will one know if one’s gun is legal to shoot smokeless?
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Post by buckeye68 on Jan 24, 2023 17:51:33 GMT -5
The 17lb limit and no rear rest for a long range match aren’t exactly ideal. Front rest but no rear rear at all? National rules, I'm sorry for those who need a rear rest. On the other hand, we did the same exact match with 120grs VOLUME of BH209, but off cross sticks last June, with no rear rest/support. This could be the start of something to go National. It needs shooters. The key word is NEEDS SHOOTERS. |
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Post by encore50a on Jan 24, 2023 18:10:09 GMT -5
How will one know if one’s gun is legal to shoot smokeless? If you were to look at my rifle, would you be able to determine rather it was smokeless capable? There will be builders there and I would suggest they will know. I'd ask this question............ Can someone please tell me who might be trying to setup a National SML shoot? I'll wait........... Rules are made but not everyone of them set in stone but, they apply to everyone. Get the inaugural match going with participation and make suggestions to the range officer. Hopefully there will be enough participation that it will continue into the future. If not, well, the shooters have nobody to blame but themselves. |
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Post by jeepeater on Jan 24, 2023 18:20:13 GMT -5
How will one know if one’s gun is legal to shoot smokeless? If you were to look at my rifle, would you be able to determine rather it was smokeless capable? There will be builders there and I would suggest they will know. I'd ask this question............ Can someone please tell me who might be trying to setup a National SML shoot? I'll wait........... Rules are made but not everyone of them set in stone but, they apply to everyone. Get the inaugural match going with participation and make suggestions to the range officer. Hopefully there will be enough participation that it will continue into the future. If not, well, the shooters have nobody to blame but themselves. I don’t know of anyone else attempting to set up a national smokless event. I do know modeling it after NMLRA is a terrible idea. Also, I would definitely take into consideration any suggestions put forth from guys who actually shoot smokeless muzzleloaders as a passion, as they’re your target for active participation. This forum has a wealth of knowledge on just that subject. But, that’s just my little opinion. |
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Post by Kyle on Jan 24, 2023 18:21:18 GMT -5
How will one know if one’s gun is legal to shoot smokeless? If you were to look at my rifle, would you be able to determine rather it was smokeless capable? There will be builders there and I would suggest they will know. I'd ask this question............ Can someone please tell me who might be trying to setup a National SML shoot? I'll wait........... Rules are made but not everyone of them set in stone but, they apply to everyone. Get the inaugural match going with participation and make suggestions to the range officer. Hopefully there will be enough participation that it will continue into the future. If not, well, the shooters have nobody to blame but themselves. Safety is a top priority understood - Want more participation and see a shoot grow? Rules need to be less restrictive unless they honestly are in the spirit of safety, otherwise it just keeps people from coming. |
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Post by buckeye68 on Jan 24, 2023 18:27:35 GMT -5
How will one know if one’s gun is legal to shoot smokeless? If you were to look at my rifle, would you be able to determine rather it was smokeless capable? There will be builders there and I would suggest they will know. I'd ask this question............ Can someone please tell me who might be trying to setup a National SML shoot? I'll wait........... Rules are made but not everyone of them set in stone but, they apply to everyone. Get the inaugural match going with participation and make suggestions to the range officer. Hopefully there will be enough participation that it will continue into the future. If not, well, the shooters have nobody to blame but themselves. As you stated, this NEEDS SHOOTERS. With the way the rules are written you are knowingly limiting your shooter base. If it fails it’s because the people who are making the rules want it to fail or do not understand how to run a smokeless muzzlerloader match. I will not waste my time trying to convince my gun is safe let alone have a gun smith that is unqualified to look at my gun or try to persuade some that to change the rules. |
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Post by encore50a on Jan 24, 2023 18:35:37 GMT -5
If you were to look at my rifle, would you be able to determine rather it was smokeless capable? There will be builders there and I would suggest they will know. I'd ask this question............ Can someone please tell me who might be trying to setup a National SML shoot? I'll wait........... Rules are made but not everyone of them set in stone but, they apply to everyone. Get the inaugural match going with participation and make suggestions to the range officer. Hopefully there will be enough participation that it will continue into the future. If not, well, the shooters have nobody to blame but themselves. Safety is a top priority understood - Want more participation and see a shoot grow? Rules need to be less restrictive unless they honestly are in the spirit of safety, otherwise it just keeps people from coming.
It appears that it's a safety concern. Rather it follows the rules/advice or anything else associated with the NMLRA, who else is making the attempt? Granted, not everyone will be happy unless its a "free for all". Those that want to attend will come. Those that don't, can still shoot in their back yard. I can say this......... there will be some top shooters attending. |
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Post by jeepeater on Jan 24, 2023 18:35:47 GMT -5
If you were to look at my rifle, would you be able to determine rather it was smokeless capable? There will be builders there and I would suggest they will know. I'd ask this question............ Can someone please tell me who might be trying to setup a National SML shoot? I'll wait........... Rules are made but not everyone of them set in stone but, they apply to everyone. Get the inaugural match going with participation and make suggestions to the range officer. Hopefully there will be enough participation that it will continue into the future. If not, well, the shooters have nobody to blame but themselves. As you stated, this NEEDS SHOOTERS. With the way the rules are written you are knowingly limiting your shooter base. I’d it fails it’s because the people who are making the rules want it to fail. Or they’re afraid of more than just the safety aspect of DI. I think there’s more to this than what is being presented. Again, that’s just my little opinion. |
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Post by jeepeater on Jan 24, 2023 18:36:47 GMT -5
Safety is a top priority understood - Want more participation and see a shoot grow? Rules need to be less restrictive unless they honestly are in the spirit of safety, otherwise it just keeps people from coming.
It appears that it's a safety concern. Rather it follows the rules/advice or anything else associated with the NMLRA, who else is making the attempt? Granted, not everyone will be happy unless its a "free for all". Those that want to attend will come. Those that don't, can still shoot in their back yard. I can say this......... there will be some top shooters attending. Now it’s starting to make more sense. I have a good idea where this is coming from. Lol |
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Post by encore50a on Jan 24, 2023 18:51:38 GMT -5
I'm a messenger, its not my match.
It appears that it's a safety concern. Rather it follows the rules/advice or anything else associated with the NMLRA, who else is making the attempt? Granted, not everyone will be happy unless its a "free for all". Those that want to attend will come. Those that don't, can still shoot in their back yard. I can say this......... there will be some top shooters attending. Now it’s starting to make more sense. I have a good idea where this is coming from. Lol But what changes? Shooters attend or they don't. But, who's going to start a SML match that could become National? And complaining about the NMLRA, isn't doing the sport any good. Believe me, the NRA will pay more attention to the NMLRA, than they will a small group of shooters. I posted this up kind of early, hoping it wouldn't bring up too much pisting and whinning. Well, I'll post the flyer when it comes out and those who want to shoot the match will show. LOL............ I'm 71 years young. I've had 11 surgeries since retirement. I had a rt knee replacement in July and 5wks later, it went bad and filled with bacteria. A week in the hospital, then 6wks on an IV at home, 24/7. I'm not out of the woods yet and will likely take antibiotics the rest of my days. That said............ I'll be there God willing, and I'll do just fine.  |
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