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Post by puppy on Feb 21, 2023 10:51:25 GMT -5
I just bought a Swarovski Habicht 1.5-6X42 30mm, for my Encore conversion pretty stout recoil with 60 gr of IMR 4198 and a 275 gr Pittman. Will mount in DNZ one piece and see how I like it, I have a Z5 on my 264WM BUllberry Encore barrel and love it.
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Post by Sideshow on Feb 21, 2023 21:56:34 GMT -5
I just bought a Swarovski Habicht 1.5-6X42 30mm, for my Encore conversion pretty stout recoil with 60 gr of IMR 4198 and a 275 gr Pittman. Will mount in DNZ one piece and see how I like it, I have a Z5 on my 264WM BUllberry Encore barrel and love it. i had that scope on a 300wm , a special edition all steel Alaskan guide series model scope . Tough Scopes !!! Its a pretty good scope to hunt with , actually my favorites of all in those Euro -scopes . LOVE my 1.5x6x42x30mm !!!
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Post by hillbill on Feb 27, 2023 19:44:53 GMT -5
So the Arken EPL-4 now resides on the rehab gun. I started to mount it in 6 screw NF Ultralights but I decided to see just how good the Arken rings are, they are torqued to 18 in lbs just like they call for, I really expect them to slip but time will tell. I will give a report as soon as i get to zero it in. a 300 @ 2900 fps should be a decent test, hopefully I can test some of Jeff's small pocket modules at the same time if he gets them to me soon.
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Post by GMB54-120 on Feb 28, 2023 12:01:34 GMT -5
Very interested to see how well the EPL-4 holds up. The pics from reviews ive seen look like its built tough but you can only tell so much by pics. Most guys you see with Arken reviews are not putting them on scope killer rifles like SMLs can be. Sure looks good on paper and price other than being Chicom made.
The few video reviews like Cyclops makes i take with a grain of salt.
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Post by ballistic on Feb 28, 2023 22:58:01 GMT -5
Very interested to see how well the EPL-4 holds up. The pics from reviews ive seen look like its built tough but you can only tell so much by pics. Most guys you see with Arken reviews are not putting them on scope killer rifles like SMLs can be. Sure looks good on paper and price other than being Chicom made.
The few video reviews like Cyclops makes i take with a grain of salt.
I purposely torture tested (a friends on loan) the SH4 Arken -trying to break it. I took the brake off my .416 muzzy to really pound the scope. I ended up shearing 2 mount screws and broke 1 of the rings. After that I continued to shoot it with the brake on for another 400 rounds on that gun. I still have that scope on a muzzy today- bought a replacement for my friend. The glass isn’t nightforce quality but it’s pretty good. The EPL has better glass. Hopefully it will hold up. I’m anxious to see how Bills test does. I don’t know if the rings will hold that scope at 18 in lbs ? But I believe the scope will survive.
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Post by hillbill on Mar 1, 2023 5:50:33 GMT -5
After thinking about it for a while I have decided to swap out the rings, I know what will happen if I don't, I will be doing it anyway and waste money in the process. This much I do know about this scope, If you can use a FFP scope I have not used anything so far that even comes close for the money, this thing has some pretty good glass and so far the turrets have been spot on.
Again, time will tell.
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Post by GMB54-120 on Mar 1, 2023 10:17:29 GMT -5
Very interested to see how well the EPL-4 holds up. The pics from reviews ive seen look like its built tough but you can only tell so much by pics. Most guys you see with Arken reviews are not putting them on scope killer rifles like SMLs can be. Sure looks good on paper and price other than being Chicom made.
The few video reviews like Cyclops makes i take with a grain of salt.
I purposely torture tested (a friends on loan) the SH4 Arken -trying to break it. I took the brake off my .416 muzzy to really pound the scope. I ended up shearing 2 mount screws and broke 1 of the rings. After that I continued to shoot it with the brake on for another 400 rounds on that gun. I still have that scope on a muzzy today- bought a replacement for my friend. The glass isn’t nightforce quality but it’s pretty good. The EPL has better glass. Hopefully it will hold up. I’m anxious to see how Bills test does. I don’t know if the rings will hold that scope at 18 in lbs ? But I believe the scope will survive. A few guys swear by them but also swear by Athlon. Like any company there are duds and gems. Midas TAC at one time was a gem for the money but now they are way over priced. The reviews of the Arken where they take the turret caps off look great. They look over built like some of the Athlons.
Personally i love the specs on the new EPL4 and Midas TAC .The EPL4 is a solid $250 less and is supposed to have better glass.
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Post by 445supermag on Apr 9, 2023 23:21:26 GMT -5
For me my optics are not many but are all fantastic Hankins Encore 45. SWFA SS HD. 5X20X50. MCWHORTER 45 XML. NF ATACR 7x35x56. Stupidly amazing Sightron SVIII 5x40x56. Simply stupidly impressive. Delta Stryker 5x30x56. Absolutely fantastic
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jarhead TX
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Post by jarhead TX on Apr 25, 2023 14:20:33 GMT -5
Well have update on my Arken EPL-4 died at Kentucky challenge last weekend. I had over 700 shots 72gn of 4198 pushing 300 and 325 Pittman's. I did have a problem with brake on Friday. Jeff sanded it so funnel would go in but Saturday morning was a disaster. I couldn't see through the scope unless less than a inch from eyebox. Will take radial brake off and replace w/tactical master blaster
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Post by ballistic on Apr 25, 2023 15:10:28 GMT -5
Well have update on my Arken EPL-4 died at Kentucky challenge last weekend. I had over 700 shots 72gn of 4198 pushing 300 and 325 Pittman's. I did have a problem with brake on Friday. Jeff sanded it so funnel would go in but Saturday morning was a disaster. I couldn't see through the scope unless less than a inch from eyebox. Will take radial brake off and replace w/tactical master blaster You will have to let us know how the warranty process goes ? Sucks it happened at a match.
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Post by Sideshow on Apr 25, 2023 23:30:06 GMT -5
As i re-read this thread theres really nothing much said about lower power short to medium range scopes ?? Theres really only a couple guys that even spoke of useing them . I honestly find that quite odd ?? It would appear not many spend much time in thicker cover , woods , stalking , or shoot at a spooked running deer you just bumped ?? If this is true i get why a lower powered scope isnt used with a wide fov and useually far superior light gathering abilities . None the less i gotta ask this again about them . Even with a max of 6x at 400yds thats the exact same difficulty factor and sight picture as a fixed standard rifle sight at 75yds . What am i missing here ?? Or am i not missing a thing ??
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Post by ballistic on Apr 26, 2023 6:18:51 GMT -5
As i re-read this thread theres really nothing much said about lower power short to medium range scopes ?? Theres really only a couple guys that even spoke of useing them . I honestly find that quite odd ?? It would appear not many spend much time in thicker cover , woods , stalking , or shoot at a spooked running deer you just bumped ?? If this is true i get why a lower powered scope isnt used with a wide fov and useually far superior light gathering abilities . None the less i gotta ask this again about them . Even with a max of 6x at 400yds thats the exact same difficulty factor and sight picture as a fixed standard rifle sight at 75yds . What am i missing here ?? Or am i not missing a thing ?? Good post. One of my favorite hunting scopes is a 3.5-21. Why -because I can turn it down to 3.5 power and have a large field of view when hunting at close range. I have several variable power scopes that start at 6x on the lowest setting and a few times wish they went lower. On the flip side -having some extra power on the top end can help ID an animal when you need to make sure. When my eyes were younger my favorite scope was a 3-12x. I typically hunt at longer ranges out west in big wide open canyons so my requirements are different. I know guys that hunt with straight 10 and 12 power scopes that couldn’t shoot animals if they were close and it frustrates them badly. And others that hunt or shoot w scopes turned up so high that they can’t find the target -or shoot someone else’s target at a match. Tempers flare when that happens - been there before. Make another post (or a poll) on hunting scopes vs target scopes -it would be fun.
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Post by flattopusa on Apr 26, 2023 6:26:04 GMT -5
I used nothing but low power non adjustable scopes (2.5 or 4X) for years on all my hunting rifles...squirrel to deer. For woods hunting the thick stuff the 2.5X was more than enough...I could hit the kill zone on a deer at 200 yards if need be. The 4x was used when I hunted open fields, which I dont do anymore, and 300 yards was an easy shot on deer sized game. Now that I am old and half blind, I still use the 2.5 for the close thick woods shots and still hunting (about 40 yards max....and many times the shots are at point blank range...feet.... so I just sight down the side of the barrel...no need for a scope) and I needed to go to a 2 x 7 variable on two of my deer hunting rifles due to the antler restrictions placed on us by the state. I just cant make out the legal racks, especially if I get a longer shot. So the higher power allows for that. The only "high power" scope I have is on a heavy varmint rifle...an old Lyman/Siebert Conversion with a 1/16th MOA dot...it is a fixed 20X and polishes off ground hogs, crow, and coyote at 300 yards and beyond with ease.
I think scope power is a very personal thing. Depends how you hunt, where you hunt, and the conditions you hunt under. When I was real young all I used for hunting was iron sights...now I cant even make out irons...nothing but blur, so the scope has its benefits for me. I dont believe as I age even more that I will need a March 8X80X56 scope, but one can never tell! LOL!!!
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Post by mike on Apr 26, 2023 9:59:22 GMT -5
Well have update on my Arken EPL-4 died at Kentucky challenge last weekend. I had over 700 shots 72gn of 4198 pushing 300 and 325 Pittman's. I did have a problem with brake on Friday. Jeff sanded it so funnel would go in but Saturday morning was a disaster. I couldn't see through the scope unless less than a inch from eyebox. Will take radial brake off and replace w/tactical master blaster Hey Ralph, Nice to see you and Sara at the Challenge last weekend. Sorry you murdered your scope. I experienced no equipment failures, but murdered my trigger pulling. haha I'm curious to learn what you decide to mount on your SPML? While I have not experienced any scope issues with my big Hankins gun sporting a Leupold VX6 7-42x52 SFP for about 500 shots, I would probably choose to go with a Nightforce if I had to do it all over again. A significant investment, but they are very well engineered, constructed and quality controlled. Best regards, Mike McClellan
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Post by mike on Apr 26, 2023 10:13:20 GMT -5
As i re-read this thread theres really nothing much said about lower power short to medium range scopes ?? Theres really only a couple guys that even spoke of useing them . I honestly find that quite odd ?? It would appear not many spend much time in thicker cover , woods , stalking , or shoot at a spooked running deer you just bumped ?? If this is true i get why a lower powered scope isnt used with a wide fov and useually far superior light gathering abilities . None the less i gotta ask this again about them . Even with a max of 6x at 400yds thats the exact same difficulty factor and sight picture as a fixed standard rifle sight at 75yds . What am i missing here ?? Or am i not missing a thing ?? Good post. One of my favorite hunting scopes is a 3.5-21. Why -because I can turn it down to 3.5 power and have a large field of view when hunting at close range. I have several variable power scopes that start at 6x on the lowest setting and a few times wish they went lower. On the flip side -having some extra power on the top end can help ID an animal when you need to make sure. When my eyes were younger my favorite scope was a 3-12x. I typically hunt at longer ranges out west in big wide open canyons so my requirements are different. I know guys that hunt with straight 10 and 12 power scopes that couldn’t shoot animals if they were close and it frustrates them badly. And others that hunt or shoot w scopes turned up so high that they can’t find the target -or shoot someone else’s target at a match. Tempers flare when that happens - been there before. Make another post (or a poll) on hunting scopes vs target scopes -it would be fun. "Stop the match", "someone shot Steve's target." "Hey Mike, did you shoot Steve's target" "I don't think so?" "Your gun is aiming at Steve's target and your scope power is set to 42 while shooting at 100 yards." Yep, I shot Steve's target and DQ'ed myself right out of the gate. Was suggested to me , for accurate target acquisition, turn the scope magnification down at such a close target distance. I'm living and learning. At least I didn't double-load my gun! haha
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Post by ballistic on Apr 26, 2023 10:34:13 GMT -5
Good post. One of my favorite hunting scopes is a 3.5-21. Why -because I can turn it down to 3.5 power and have a large field of view when hunting at close range. I have several variable power scopes that start at 6x on the lowest setting and a few times wish they went lower. On the flip side -having some extra power on the top end can help ID an animal when you need to make sure. When my eyes were younger my favorite scope was a 3-12x. I typically hunt at longer ranges out west in big wide open canyons so my requirements are different. I know guys that hunt with straight 10 and 12 power scopes that couldn’t shoot animals if they were close and it frustrates them badly. And others that hunt or shoot w scopes turned up so high that they can’t find the target -or shoot someone else’s target at a match. Tempers flare when that happens - been there before. Make another post (or a poll) on hunting scopes vs target scopes -it would be fun. "Stop the match", "someone shot Steve's target." "Hey Mike, did you shoot Steve's target" "I don't think so?" "Your gun is aiming at Steve's target and your scope power is set to 42 while shooting at 100 yards." Yep, I shot Steve's target and DQ'ed myself right out of the gate. Was suggested to me , for accurate target acquisition, turn the scope magnification down at such a close target distance. I'm living and learning. At least I didn't double-load my gun! haha Holy heck ! I can’t stop laughing at your post. I know it happens…….. I’m glad you’re making me laugh with you. It’s always funnier when it happens to someone else though. For now - will be chuckling for quite some time about your humor.
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Post by Sideshow on Apr 26, 2023 11:49:38 GMT -5
As i re-read this thread theres really nothing much said about lower power short to medium range scopes ?? Theres really only a couple guys that even spoke of useing them . I honestly find that quite odd ?? It would appear not many spend much time in thicker cover , woods , stalking , or shoot at a spooked running deer you just bumped ?? If this is true i get why a lower powered scope isnt used with a wide fov and useually far superior light gathering abilities . None the less i gotta ask this again about them . Even with a max of 6x at 400yds thats the exact same difficulty factor and sight picture as a fixed standard rifle sight at 75yds . What am i missing here ?? Or am i not missing a thing ?? Good post. One of my favorite hunting scopes is a 3.5-21. Why -because I can turn it down to 3.5 power and have a large field of view when hunting at close range. I have several variable power scopes that start at 6x on the lowest setting and a few times wish they went lower. On the flip side -having some extra power on the top end can help ID an animal when you need to make sure. When my eyes were younger my favorite scope was a 3-12x. I typically hunt at longer ranges out west in big wide open canyons so my requirements are different. I know guys that hunt with straight 10 and 12 power scopes that couldn’t shoot animals if they were close and it frustrates them badly. And others that hunt or shoot w scopes turned up so high that they can’t find the target -or shoot someone else’s target at a match. Tempers flare when that happens - been there before. Make another post (or a poll) on hunting scopes vs target scopes -it would be fun. Thanks ballistic . Noted and i can say ive agreed on a bit more power on the top end to make a choice to shoot or not . Thats why i asked way back in this thread about those 2 GPO offerings . Im getting older too and a 1.5x9x42x30 or 2x12x42x30 with 83ft FOV and 63 ft FOV respectively caught my eye . Both dialable if wanted to use that feature . THATS what i call FOV thats Needed !!! Following a spooked deer through a woods becomes EASY !!! Ive shot multiple deer with a 300wm under those conditions stated earlier as well as 600 yds out and only racked the bolt because its the thing to do immediately when you have a repeater . All with 1,5x6x42x30 Euro style scopes . Ive got a 8x40x56 that collects Alot of dust . Monoculars work dandy for me in the field too . Most dont have those distance shots so much on this side of the Mississippi unless elevated like you do . Just trying to make sense of all this big power/no Real FOV i see as a handicap for me ?? That scope type i prefer is the closest thing to night vision too . That Matters !!! Driven , running 400lb Russian boars are hunted in Hungary at Night along the Danube River . Many of these lower powered Euro scopes are used/designed for Dangerous Game rifles and thats recoil durability . They just make sense .
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jarhead TX
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Post by jarhead TX on May 8, 2023 16:43:33 GMT -5
Sent my Arken SH-4 back yesterday to be repaired. Mounted another Arken back on sml with new master blaster from Jeff. When I smoke another scope I will cry once and buy a NF
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Post by jarhead TX on May 10, 2023 14:12:38 GMT -5
Just a update about Arken scope sent scope Monday morning they just texted me tracking #. Very fast turn around.
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Post by 445supermag on May 10, 2023 14:29:25 GMT -5
As for these bigger dialer scopes at short range I use them all the time. 5x20 at 22 yards last year. I will be using my 7x35 NF ATACR from 20 to 100 yards. It's very easy to use with zero issues and me never not ONCE saying I wish I had lass zoom. Never not ever.
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