klook
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Post by klook on Dec 24, 2022 10:33:10 GMT -5
I have the same gun, first year with Apollo launching loads I had my scope move. Factory base, took the factory muzzle brake off after it nearly deafened me, Leupold 3x9 Rifleman, basic Weaver rings, single screw per side. Got thru the season. Over the winter I acquired Jeff's base and purchased a set of rings that allowed me to move the scope back, cantilevered rear ring. 2 screws on bands per side. I am short.... Can't remember the brand. I got a Konus 3x10x44 with ballistic illuminated reticle. I know I know, cheeeep scope. I got it because the others I hunt with loved their reticles. More on that later. I had to grind some off the front of the base to move the scope back as the front bell would hit it. Now to second season. I reduced my load to 56 grs. of I4198 and stayed with a .250 gr. bullet. I hunted the same place and shot out to 130 yards twice. The gun was very accurate for not having any time to really work on a load. I hit everything where I wanted. I do not use the reticle as I realized my "just shoot the deer or PBR" is further then I will likely shoot. I do love the red dot. The factory base is a piece of crap, get Jeff's base. My scope never moved after I fired 17 rounds total. I am planning to put the brake back on next year although my shoulder is still in place with this years load. I know have noise reduction/enhancing ear devices. Back to the cheap scope, I have never had a high end scope, I am old enough to remember when Leupold was the talk of the town. From Tasco to Simmons and back to Weaver and Redfields and even early cheap Bushnell's, I have never been able to blame a scope for missing. In fact I only missed once with a scope and ending up getting the deer. Within the ranges we should be shooting, meaning the ranges we can confidently take the shot, and the ranges a Scout can reach, there is no need for a scope costing more then the gun if you keep your loads reasonable. And great glass is probably necessary at 800 yards, but not 250. I love what a lot of these guys are doing and get in here and read about daily, but I am not that guy and most are not that guy. If I was I would have Jeff make me a proper gun.
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Post by jims on Dec 24, 2022 13:22:35 GMT -5
I also took the brake off. It was the loudest IMO of any that I have. Most have been removed, recoil at this point does not bother me. I do not like the noise reducing over the ear sound reducers, they fit poorly when I am trying to shoot. My molded plugs I guess I could use.
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Post by sew on Dec 24, 2022 20:02:03 GMT -5
Since I went “no expense spared” on my 2 40 cal Jimbob rifles, I’ve gotten ASRs with internal MBs and a Silenco Weatherby 460 suppressor to be used with each rifle. I’ll report when I’m finally allowed to get my suppressor and use it.
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Post by jims on Dec 24, 2022 22:28:41 GMT -5
Would like to read the results. I know you will test it fully.
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klook
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Post by klook on Dec 25, 2022 9:19:16 GMT -5
I also took the brake off. It was the loudest IMO of any that I have. Most have been removed, recoil at this point does not bother me. I do not like the noise reducing over the ear sound reducers, they fit poorly when I am trying to shoot. My molded plugs I guess I could use. I got inside the ear electronic hearing enhancer/suppressors and a mode to just block sound. With some stands, I had time to put in foam ear plugs.
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Post by sew on Dec 25, 2022 11:16:16 GMT -5
8 1/2 years of the P&W P100s with too much time with the canopies opened on the ground left me with a tremendous hearing loss in my left ear and a lot in my right ear. I protect what little hearing I have left: good ear plugs and hearing enhancing head sets. With a lot of my hunting in relatively populated areas, I like the noise containment of a good MB and look fwd to the noise containment of an internal MB’d suppressor. Not only do MBs reduce recoil, they essentially make the sound omni-directional, greatly reduces an animals reactions to a shot(unless it’s the one that got shot😊) and greatly reduces the noise of the shot in the distance.
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Post by ballistic on Dec 26, 2022 1:04:10 GMT -5
There are 2 kinds of pain with both rifles and muzzleloaders. Muzzleloaders like these take the intensity up a few notices. Pain number 1- Recoil. Recoil when heavy sends a signal that tells us to brace for the shot -making things difficult for even a seasoned shooter. So we use muzzle brakes to tame the recoil. We all know what recoil does to shooters. Pain number 2-Noise. Noise can be a more painful reaction than recoil. If you don’t believe me - try shooting next to a shooter that pulls the trigger a fraction of a second sooner than you do. If your shot (basically a forced flinch from sound) is good and in the group- consider yourself lucky. I still jump sometimes and I’ve been trying to get over it for many years. At the bench I’ve used plugs (30 db) and also muffs on top. Shooting next to 50 bmg and that’s not even enough. I’ve never been next to Jeff’s beast cyclops) and I don’t know if I want too -lol. This thread is about scopes on a light setup. A good brake and a lighter scope would be the best recommendation for success. When I’m hunting I have plugs on strings hanging around my ears. I look like a dork and I’m ok with it. I don’t shoot without plugs in -ever. It’s my blanky/binky/stuffed animal for success if you want to laugh at me -or even with me. The plugs go in and out pretty fast. I have shot without them and then miss on the next shots in competition (I get rattled) so I know it would happen hunting. I would rather be punched hard with recoil than deal with a loud muzzle brake. I need both items (brake and ear plugs) to be successful out in the field. JMO and shared by many comp shooters. I’m getting older and have seen many loose hearing that could have been prevented. I understand also why shooters take the brakes off = much less painful. What kind of pain is the worst for your shooting ?
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Post by sew on Dec 26, 2022 13:03:25 GMT -5
I shoot comparatively light loads in my light rifle and only medium loads in my very heavy (18# total) rifle. I have no recoil pain. Ear plugs and head phones are adequate for the sound. Hopefully the forth coming Suppressor will reduce that even more.
No pain on my end, dead deer on the other end.
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