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Post by jakesmith1995 on Dec 22, 2022 18:57:16 GMT -5
I've been doing research on scopes for my scout conversion night force is out of my budget considering leupold or vortex I usually use weaver grand slam rings on my guns but I've read these guns are tough on scopes what is everyone using on their scout conversion
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Post by spikes on Dec 22, 2022 19:14:07 GMT -5
I've been doing research on scopes for my scout conversion night force is out of my budget considering leupold or vortex I usually use weaver grand slam rings on my guns but I've read these guns are tough on scopes what is everyone using on their scout conversion I really wanted a night force and also couldn't quite swing it. Ive had a Sightron STAC on my scout for a year now. Prob 200-300 shots through it plus hunted with it all season banging it around the woods. Taken one really good fall that I wanted to site it in again after. And it was still dead on after all that. Highly recommend.
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Post by damnyankee on Dec 22, 2022 19:19:59 GMT -5
Sightron SIII is another good one. I've seen some deals popping up here and there on them lately.
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Post by hillbill on Dec 22, 2022 21:35:42 GMT -5
I just put an Arken EPL-4 on my Voodoo .22, yes it's made in China BUT I must say I am VERY impressed with this scope. If you can live with a FFP scope I would take a very serious look at these.
Optically it's surprisingly good, turrets are spot on and the reticle and illumination work very well. I see nothing to dislike about this scope EXCEPT the country of origin. It appears to be very well made and the zero stop is easy to use.
I spent most of the day with it today busting tree rats, very good combo on the V 22.
I also have had several SIIIs and S-Tacs, pretty good scopes as well. The Zeiss V-4s have been very good for me as well. The Arken is half price of the SIII and V-4 and so far I would say it's really close optically and mechanically. Of course I have only used it for 2 trips and the real test will be on a SML but I plan to do that as soon as squirrel season is over.
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Post by joelmoney on Dec 22, 2022 22:12:44 GMT -5
I have a Sightron TAC on mine thinking of going to an Arken 4-16.
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Post by ballistic on Dec 22, 2022 22:13:49 GMT -5
Hopefully your scout has a muzzlebrake ? If not - it will be much harder on scopes/mounts/rings. If it doesn’t you should consider triple rings on the scope and go with a lighter scope. Heavy scopes on hard kicking setups lead to base and ring failures as well as broken scopes. I really like Burris signature steel rings with poly inserts for 1” and 30 mm tubes. No lapping (around $45 a set) is needed. The 34 mm are also really good but come at a hefty price $200 a set. Sightrons glass is amazing. Arken offers Japan HD glass for $100-150 more than the cheaper SH4 that’s around $300 right now. SWFA straight 10 power can be found for less than $300 but it’s fixed and might not be good for close shots. I’ve tested the Sightron Siii, Arken SH4 and EP5 and the Swfa fixed 10 and 12 power on very hard kicking setups without brakes and they hold up really well to heavy recoil. Are they nightforce ATACR or high end other brands -not a chance?? But pretty darned good for budget scopes. I favor the Arken turrets with the zero stops but the Sightron glass is a little better. I think a good muzzlebrake will allow even cheaper scopes to be used with success.
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Post by joelmoney on Dec 22, 2022 22:20:39 GMT -5
Balistic How would Arken EP5 glass compare to Sightron Siii glass?
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Post by blackpowder72 on Dec 22, 2022 23:09:34 GMT -5
Meopta Optika6 or Optika5. Held up on every Scout or serious recoil gun I've put them on never lost zero. Great glass very hard to beat for the money.
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Post by buckeye68 on Dec 23, 2022 0:08:55 GMT -5
Just make sure your scope has adjustable turrets and parallax knobs.
For the rings I would buy Jeff’s 6 bolt rings. Can’t beat the quality or the price.
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Post by ballistic on Dec 23, 2022 0:52:15 GMT -5
Balistic How would Arken SH5 glass compare to Sightron Siii glass? The EP5 that I have is a 5-25x56 mm The SH4 of mine is a 6-24x50mm My Sightron Siii is a 6-24x50 mm The Sightron has better clarity over the equal 50 mm SH4 with the outer edges also being brighter but it’s not by much. At 16 power both are equal. At over 16 power the Sightron pulls ahead and stays clear edge to edge. The EP5 has a 56 mm objective so it pulls in more light than the 50mm so it’s not apples to apples. With that being said the ED glass (Japanese) in this scope is noticeably brighter than the Sightron 50 mm on the lower powers-which is to be expected. The outer edges stay clear and are par up to 24 power of the Sightron. A shooter could complete in a PRS long range match and not be disappointed with this scope. It is however big and heavy. In heavy mirage/fog/and low light is where you will find out how glass performs. Sightrons glass has performed at a higher class level that’s closer to the expensive glass costing much more - until the conditions are just right or wrong - and that’s when the big $$$ scopes shine. From what I’ve seen (side by side) -I have a rifle with the EP5 (and bring it along for glass comparisons) the glass appears to rival the Siii glass for edge to edge. At powers under 16 the SH4 is really really good edge to edge - it doesn’t have the coatings for the ugly light conditions - but it’s really good. For those that don’t need anything over 16 power -$300 is a good buy. My benchrest friends that shoot the fixed 30 and higher power scopes w 6 ppc have said similar to the above when I’ve had them look through the above scopes. I’m not a scope reviewer - just my observations. I have given the above scopes some serious beatings - tried to purposely break the SH4 ( my friends that wanted me to torture test it) by not using a muzzle brake -that was painful. A few run and gun events. Falling accidentally several times on them. Long 4 wheeler/motorcycle/ ebike/ long ugly hikes in and out of gunrunner packs that spin the dials. Elk heads tied to gun/scope (while in the pack) to pack out. So I’m pretty hard on equipment. The SH4 had about 300 rounds on a very hard kicking .416 and about 400 on a .408 muzzy. It’s still going- might break on the next shot but I doubt it. Your board member (865 can’t remember the rest -sorry) -recently shot a whitetail at 1092 yards with his .45 muzzy using the SH4 so that might tell you something about them. How many hunters are shooting above 16 power on a regular basis ? And how many are competing in long range matches ? I’m just trying to keep this real is all. I rarely do when hunting and I shoot at longer ranges often In practice.
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Post by SURESHOT on Dec 23, 2022 7:07:31 GMT -5
It really depends on your pocket book, I have mounted many vortex on these scouts with a muzzle brakes, still going strong today, with a great warranty. Have been using the Vortex 6 screw rings heavy duty rings. 30 MM hard to beat for the money. Also the Meopta Optika6 is another good thought, If you check out Euro Optics they have both, the Vortex Vortex Strike Eagle 4-24x50 with EBR-4 MOA Riflescope SE-1627 on sale for $319.00, tracks very well , and if there is an issue to be concerned with are the NON ZERO STOP TURRETS they are workable have mounted around 15 for others no issues from them the past few years. The Meopta well they are very good !! at Euro run around $649.00 3x18x50 Z plex, and the rings they run around $45.00/pair EBAY. With my scout I have a Vortex with Vortex rings , on my bolt gun NX8 with nightforce ultra light rings.
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Post by flattopusa on Dec 23, 2022 7:46:56 GMT -5
CVA Hunter: Leupold 2 X 7 x 33 Freedom scope in DNZ Game Reaper one piece rings.....over 200 rounds (actually lost count...maybe 300 rounds or so). DNZ mount epoxied to barrel. So far, so good. Scope and rings about 400.00 when I purchased them.
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Post by sew on Dec 23, 2022 10:55:06 GMT -5
I've been doing research on scopes for my scout conversion night force is out of my budget considering leupold or vortex I usually use weaver grand slam rings on my guns but I've read these guns are tough on scopes what is everyone using on their scout conversion Hard to answer the question without knowing your maximum intended range, the load you intend to shoot and if it has a MB.
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Post by blues19 on Dec 23, 2022 11:17:33 GMT -5
My son and I are running Trijicon Accupoint 3x9 on our CVA Scout V2's, Great in low light timber settings. I would also consider the SWFA SS fixed 10x, very good glass and extremely durable.
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Post by hillbill on Dec 23, 2022 12:00:30 GMT -5
Whatever you use for rings is your choice BUT be sure you epoxy your base to the barrel, it might save you some headaches down the road.
Keep in mind that you don't have a lot of real estate on the base so 6 screw rings are going to get crowded but honestly IMO they are needed, not saying they won't work just keep that in mind.
over the years I got tired of scopes slipping, when tightened to the recommended 18 in lbs of most makers a LOT of 2 screw rings will not hold a heavy scope on these hard kickers, I know from experience as many have slipped causing headaches.
The Arken Epl-4 has a 30 mm tube and is lighter than their 34 mm brothers, I think 23 ozs? not too heavy for what it is, along the same lines as other 30mm tube scopes. The glass seems to be on par with the V4 and SIII but I honestly have yet to test side by side.
I would check out Jeff's 6 screw rings if you decide to go that direction, I have used Nightforce 6 screw ultralight rings exclusively for a good while now and they are great but they are about twice the price as Jeff's.
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Post by jims on Dec 23, 2022 15:31:47 GMT -5
I have a CVA Scout. It has a 2.5x10 Nikon Monarch scope on it with I think the DedNutz base etc. It has held up well to my limited shooting with it and for the yardages used (under 200) it has been more than adequate.
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Post by chromeslayer on Dec 23, 2022 16:42:14 GMT -5
Put a Meopta Optika6 on my scout.. no complaints
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Post by jakesmith1995 on Dec 23, 2022 21:02:36 GMT -5
I've been doing research on scopes for my scout conversion night force is out of my budget considering leupold or vortex I usually use weaver grand slam rings on my guns but I've read these guns are tough on scopes what is everyone using on their scout conversion Hard to answer the question without knowing your maximum intended range, the load you intend to shoot and if it has a MB. 100 yards or less my gun will have break for loads I will be using a 250 grain bullet with 55 grains 4198
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Post by sew on Dec 23, 2022 22:25:55 GMT -5
That should narrow the choices. Remember, or be aware, that you need a tough scope with strong rings.
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Post by booner22 on Dec 24, 2022 9:39:15 GMT -5
Hard to answer the question without knowing your maximum intended range, the load you intend to shoot and if it has a MB. 100 yards or less my gun will have break for loads I will be using a 250 grain bullet with 55 grains 4198 100yrds with a mild load you can get by with a much smaller range of scopes I would think. I would think an upper magnification of 12x would be more than plenty.
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