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Post by jakesmith1995 on Dec 17, 2022 19:54:09 GMT -5
I'm currently shooting a stock savage ml 2 been doing some research on different powders between imr 4198 and h4198 has anyone here used 4198 in a savage ml-2 before
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Post by klook on Dec 17, 2022 22:48:19 GMT -5
Just a heads up, the search function is your friend and you will not get immediate answers in the open forum. There have been many threads about these powders.
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Post by 71yella2 on Dec 18, 2022 10:45:29 GMT -5
I'm new to this game, but a couple years ago when I put my rifle together I tried I4198 and could not get it to light off. I have a .50 and had to use harvester red crush ribs to tight enough fit to light em. I will continue to use 5744 until I run out. I did try a duplex load with 4198 that worked and gave about 400fps increase over 5744.
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Post by hillbill on Dec 18, 2022 12:50:26 GMT -5
H-4198 was my go to powder for a long time in my MLII days, hot primers, heavy bullets and tight fit helps ignition greatly, no problems for me getting ignition.
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Post by sew on Dec 18, 2022 13:17:35 GMT -5
If you want, duplex with your 5744, close to 1:1. You’ll get ignition and a slight increase in velocity over straight IMR 4198, especially if the IMR 4198 doesn’t ignite.
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Post by jims on Dec 18, 2022 18:08:34 GMT -5
I never found much difference between the two 4198s but I duplex with a 4759 or V110 small amount of starter so that may be the reason.
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Post by kbrezlin on Dec 19, 2022 6:52:45 GMT -5
I have shot them both with the same charge weight at 200 yards and they were all in the same group. No difference in the point of impact at that distance. Longer range, Maybe?
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Post by 71yella2 on Dec 25, 2022 23:51:58 GMT -5
If you want, duplex with your 5744, close to 1:1. You’ll get ignition and a slight increase in velocity over straight IMR 4198, especially if the IMR 4198 doesn’t ignite. SEW I shoot 44.5gr now for about 2000fps with a 285 fury in a 24" barrel, so your suggestion would be like 20/24 5744/4198?
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Post by sew on Dec 26, 2022 9:52:20 GMT -5
If you want, duplex with your 5744, close to 1:1. You’ll get ignition and a slight increase in velocity over straight IMR 4198, especially if the IMR 4198 doesn’t ignite. SEW I shoot 44.5gr now for about 2000fps with a 285 fury in a 24" barrel, so your suggestion would be like 20/24 5744/4198? No! My post must have been made when I had read deeply into what wasn’t asked. I frequently am asked about using the 3 primary duplex primer powders and how much to vary if they had been using one, such as 4759 and now can’t get it, and will be using one of the other two. But, that wasn’t your question. So, the correct answer is - 10g 5744 under 34.5g of IMR 4198. That may give you up to 100’/sec velocity increase, somewhat less temp sensitivity, a lot surer ignition and likely, slightly better accuracy. Your load seems to be on the low side to begin with, and though unconventional that true 1:1 ratio you mentioned would likely be even better yet. A better load yet may be 10/45 5744/4198? I did not use 4198 in my stock 10ML2s. Hopefully, you’ll get better answers, or at least, more answers from others.
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Post by deadeer on Dec 26, 2022 10:31:41 GMT -5
If in 50cal 10ml2....
We have shot 67-70gr H4198 thousands of times between us. It kills on both ends, but no problems. As said, a heavy bullet and tight fit are a must. A .458 300gr or 325gr, Harvestor black crush rib sabot, and CCIM or Fed209A primer.
Other variants are up to 10/60 if duplex... 10gr of SR4759, or VV N110, or AA5744 60gr of H4198
Same duplex load will go bang everytime with a 250 or 275gr bullet, as long as fit is tight, but never got any accuracy with .452 bullets, even with red crush rib, in our guns.
Have since went to 45 cal barrels and different animals now.
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Post by sew on Dec 26, 2022 11:36:34 GMT -5
“Have since went to 45 cal barrels and different animals now.”
From ‘99-‘01, I shot many 1,000s of 50 cal shots, testing accuracy, temp sensitivity, etc with loads that Savage wanted and loads Savage wanted tested - 1 was disasterous.
However, In ‘01 and then in ‘02 got a 40 PN followed by 4 45 PNs respectively, and never shot a 50 cal again. Actually, if a person experienced a 45 and especially a 40, why would they ever go back? So, for many of us, the extra recoil, the larger projectile, the poorer trajectory, etc just makes the 50 cal comparatively obsolete. However, as an adjunct to a v/c bow and centerfire seasons, a 50 cal is highly adequate. For where some of us live where there is no centerfire and for those of us who our smokeless MLer IS our rifle, short, med, & long range, the 45 and for some of us , the 40 has reduced recoil and improved trajectory advantages.
All that to say, many of us likely have to go way back to remember a # of our 50 cal loads.
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Post by deadeer on Dec 26, 2022 12:37:05 GMT -5
For sure Steve! 50cal has fed our family plenty over the years. Just going by way of the dinosaur now.
45 does everything I could hope for.
40cal not legal in our IN MZ season, but ok in Firearm. That's why I havent gone down that road.
Life is busy, and now with HPR, advancing in SML has not been a priority. I do love everything about it and read daily to try and stay up to date.
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Post by sew on Dec 26, 2022 12:53:53 GMT -5
I’m glad that we can’t use CFs in this area of Arkansas. Too populated and you should jusr see some of the “hunters”. Yes, CFs can be used for varmints; but the # of varmint hunters using higher than 22 cal is very low as are varmint hunters in general.
Arkansas MLing rules. 40 cal and above for deer/bear, 40 cal and below for all other hunting except water fowl, game birds and coon hunting at night.
Now, is that not 40 cal friendly?!!😊
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Post by 71yella2 on Dec 26, 2022 21:44:08 GMT -5
Thanks for responses guys, Steve I'm in south Arkansas and this .50cal barrel/plug conversion was bought for me, I don't anywhere to shoot much past 200 so it will be fine for my use. I admire all the info and work everyone does with the.45s and if I'd known better would have passed on this barrel and gone .45. I have found this load to work but I have been afraid to push past ML2 load data since this is a barrel nut set up. All I have is savage data and advice from members here. I don't anybody else who shoots smokeless and when I tell people I have one they look at me like crazy. The duplex I tried was 10/50 of clays/4198 with the fury's and yes it thumps on both ends lol
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Post by sew on Dec 26, 2022 23:14:00 GMT -5
The clays, like other very fast powders, will erode the vent liner or bushing. Suggestion: consider one of the book loads or VV120 60g or less.
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Post by 71yella2 on Dec 26, 2022 23:49:15 GMT -5
I only shot 5 loads for group, it was ok , just testing. The way my season is going I can leave the gun at home anyway. It apparently is cursed since I can't even see deer when I have it with me.
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Post by YankeeReb on Jan 6, 2023 19:49:01 GMT -5
It wasn’t a savage but I’ve shot my cast 405gr .458 bullet in a harvester and mmp orange sabot with 50gr of imr4198 and it shot really well.
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Post by olegburn on Jan 21, 2023 11:28:36 GMT -5
5744 and 4759 are the most reliable powders in my Savage I played with both H and IMR 4198's and had failures to ignite in very cold weather So I just went back to 300 XTP and 4759. Boom goes every time! Maybe I asked the question you did not ask, but it will solve ignition issues in the not ideal conditions
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Post by jims on Jan 21, 2023 11:31:24 GMT -5
4759 I often use as a starter so little powder is involved. In straight loads I avoid as I cannot find more 4759 since it was discontinued.
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