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Post by yoderjac on Nov 12, 2021 21:43:56 GMT -5
How do you clean your smokeless. I cleaned mine for the first time tonight and I made some mistakes. Here is what I did: First, I removed the ejector and breach plug to unload it. That was my first mistake. It unloaded fine, but I got some powder in the threads. Eventually, I got those threads cleaned out, but it was not worth the hassle to save a $2 bullet. Next time, I'll discharge it. Next, I removed the muzzle break and put it, the breach plug, and ejector in my Hornady ultrasonic cleaner. I was not as happy with it cleaning these parts compared to the job it did with the case cleaner on the modules. There is a different solution for brass cases than for gun parts. I tried a bore snake, a rod with brushes, Hoppes #9, bore scrubber, but I wasn't happy with the results. I probably would have been happy except for the fact that I used a bore scope for the first time. Is this copper from the bullet jackets? Any suggestions for better cleaning? Oh, yes, one more thing I forgot to mention. I saw little if any of this residue at the breach end of the barrel. As I got closer the the muzzle, the amount of it increased significantly.
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Post by Deputy819 on Nov 13, 2021 4:06:22 GMT -5
Hey there! After I get through the initial “break in” period I DO NOT clean unless I see a significant loss of accuracy for some unexplained reason. When I do clean I remove the ignition system and clean/oil the threads. Next I run a Nylon bore brush down the pipe several times and then follow with patches soaked In Bore Tech Eliminator until they come out clean. Then run a couple clean patches through to dry everything off and lastly apply a few drops of Montana X Treme Bore Conditioner to a clean patch and run it down the bore. That’s it. I avoid the use of my Teslong Bore Scope at all costs 😂🤣 and only use it if I just can’t get a rifle to shoot…..be it muzzleloader or center-fire rifle.
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Post by Richard on Nov 13, 2021 9:07:35 GMT -5
I have had a Hawkeye bore scope for a little over 20 years now to keep track of all my match and SML rifles. I have always noticed most copper fouling closer to the muzzle. With that in mind, I can consentrate my cleaning procedure in that end of the barrel. I believe the reason it (copper) occurs at the muzzle is because the heat from friction builds the longer the bullet is in the barrel. When I clean ( particularly) with JB, I consentrate my short stroking In that area, rather than the entire bore.
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Post by yoderjac on Nov 13, 2021 19:00:35 GMT -5
How much should I worry about those copper deposits when cleaning. The picture is after quite a bit of cleaning...
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Post by Richard on Nov 13, 2021 19:40:04 GMT -5
I get so little sign of copper, its almost not worth trying to remove it! Nothing like you get with a center fire rifle in which the bullet is "forced" into the rifling. We are mainly land riding so the amount of friction and intense pressure is not there.
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Post by yoderjac on Nov 13, 2021 20:01:24 GMT -5
Thanks, that makes sense. Most of my concern is probably rising from the fact it is the first time I've use the bore scope. I'll need to run it through a couple of my centerfire rifles for comparison.
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Post by treasurehunter on Jan 19, 2022 12:32:24 GMT -5
Is it OK to use the Lee primer pocket cleaner to clean the modules? Or should I not use metal to clean the modules?
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Post by gunny51 on Jan 19, 2022 13:29:39 GMT -5
Is it OK to use the Lee primer pocket cleaner to clean the modules? Or should I not use metal to clean the modules?
I used it and ruined about 10 of mine. It makes the pocket too big.
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Post by gunny51 on Jan 19, 2022 13:49:20 GMT -5
I avoid the use of my Teslong Bore Scope at all costs 😂🤣 and only use it if I just can’t get a rifle to shoot. I have the Teslong Bore Scope and love it. How come you avoid using it?
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Post by yoderjac on Jan 19, 2022 15:05:54 GMT -5
Is it OK to use the Lee primer pocket cleaner to clean the modules? Or should I not use metal to clean the modules?
I used it and ruined about 10 of mine. It makes the pocket too big.
I ended up using an ultrasonic cleaner for the modules. It took several runs of the machine for some that had been shot multiple times. It cleaned modules used only once very well with one run. In general, it worked well with no damage. I used it on the breach plug and muzzle brake as well. Results were OK, but not as good as with the modules.
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Post by Deputy819 on Jan 19, 2022 16:01:33 GMT -5
I avoid the use of my Teslong Bore Scope at all costs 😂🤣 and only use it if I just can’t get a rifle to shoot. I have the Teslong Bore Scope and love it. How come you avoid using it? 😂🤣 I was kind of being facetious, but I do limit my use of it……makes my OCD brain work overtime. 😇
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Post by yoderjac on Aug 21, 2022 9:35:23 GMT -5
I recently did some shooting and decided to clean the muzzleloader afterwards. I tried Bore Tech Cu cleaner for the first time. I let is soak in there for a bit as well. I did another barrel scoping. While it certainly did not get all of the copper out, it removed a lot more than other cleaners I've used.
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Post by Richard on Aug 21, 2022 10:55:43 GMT -5
If you want it clean?..........Use JB! It will NOT hurt your bore. I have used it on ALL my SML's and CF match barrels. Short story....: Some time back a benchrest gunsmith from, I think Arkansas Named Micky Coleman, did a test on the wear factor of JB. He took a SS barrel and carefully mic'd it for diameter. He then ran it on a electric buffing wheel with JB and did so for an hour. Afterwards, he carefully mic's it again and could find NO evidence of wear! Period! It will remove copper better than any of the liquid bore cleaners. For what its worth!
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Post by yoderjac on Aug 22, 2022 9:36:15 GMT -5
Yes, I should probably take the advise from others and be less anal and leave the scope on the shelf until I have and accuracy problem!
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Post by ballistic on Aug 22, 2022 13:05:53 GMT -5
I work in a metallurgist lab environment - not a metallurgist though. My understanding of the copper not all coming out is that the cleaner can’t remove all of it due to oxidization. Thin layers yes but the heavier won’t come out. The cleaner takes a lot of the copper out by reacting/creating oxidation. The oxidation layer finally creates a barrier to prevent the cleaner from removing any more copper. You can alternate 2 different copper cleaners and get most of it. Use the bore tech until it stops working. Then switch to an ammonia based cleaner like Sweets 7.62 until it stops and then back to the bore tech. (Make sure you don’t leave the ammonia based in for very long).
I hope the above sheds some light or helps. Or you can use the paste that Richard talks about. After looking at your bore pic - it’s not entirely clear that your fouling is only copper- could be rust. And that’s where the JB paste will work better than any copper or carbon cleaners will.
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Post by yoderjac on Aug 22, 2022 16:47:14 GMT -5
I did go ahead and order some JB which I'll use when I clean after the upcoming season, but I'm probably being anal.
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