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Post by russmalicki on Oct 2, 2021 18:29:58 GMT -5
I picked up my muzzleloader from the Gunsmith this week. I upgraded with a PTG bolt with a M-16 extracter for my 700 short action. Also had a Hankins ignition system installed last year. Could not pull the primer module out with the bolt after first shot. Did not shoot after that, it started raining. Even putting the module in by hand it got very tight and very hard to pull out with the bolt hooked to it even out of the gun. Is there something I should do here. I also was starting out with a lower pressure starting load. Thanks guys. Don’t want to have to pull the gun apart every time I shoot it.
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Post by Richard on Oct 2, 2021 21:20:46 GMT -5
If you had gotten the "hard" modules (nickel/bronze or whatever they are?) the nose is so hard, it does not want to squeeze down when being cam'ed into the breech plug. Get the standard brass ones and you will have no problem.
Take your breech plug out and try pounding a module into the plug (without a primer, of course) and you will see how tight it is. You may have to use a punch to get it back out. I had the same problem with a rifle I built for a customer. He got the standard brass ones and they worked fine.
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Post by dennis on Oct 3, 2021 18:49:45 GMT -5
I picked up my muzzleloader from the Gunsmith this week. I upgraded with a PTG bolt with a M-16 extracter for my 700 short action. Also had a Hankins ignition system installed last year. Could not pull the primer module out with the bolt after first shot. Did not shoot after that, it started raining. Even putting the module in by hand it got very tight and very hard to pull out with the bolt hooked to it even out of the gun. Is there something I should do here. I also was starting out with a lower pressure starting load. Thanks guys. Don’t want to have to pull the gun apart every time I shoot it. If the module is sticking in the bolt and not the breech plug then maybe relieve the bolt face a little. Maybe pm Hank for best resolve. |
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Post by Richard on Oct 3, 2021 21:44:04 GMT -5
"He could not pull the primer out with the bolt". I discussed this with Hank and the standard module is the way to go.
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Post by Hank on Oct 4, 2021 7:56:58 GMT -5
Everyone needs one of my primer module re-sizing tools. This tool holds "YOUR" breech plug upside down in the reloading press, you can size "YOUR" modules to fit "YOUR" plug. This is like sizing a rifle case to fit the rifle chamber that you are shooting the case from. hanksprecisiongunparts.com/p/primer-module-resizing-toolEach gunsmith has a different method of setting up the head space. I recommend a .003 to .005 clearance, but some smiths insist on having a hard close on the module and that is completely wrong. It will create the problem you are having with modules sticking. I have also fixed a few guns that had .030 head space clearance and when fired would burn the shooters nose... I have been making this ignition system now for over 10 years, started out making them on a 13-40 manual lathe, I quickly out grew that machine and bought a CNC lathe that made a much more accurate part, but still took way to long to keep up with demand, so now I run them on a multi tool CNC lathe with a bar feeder and I have made 10's of 1000's of these modules and breech plugs, with each run of parts I do my best to keep them all the same, but with tool wear and set up, these parts can vary .0005 to .001, If you have a module that is .0005 too big for the plug it will fit very tight, if you have a module that is .001 to big it will barely go in the plug, there is nothing wrong with these modules or plugs, they just need to be mated, using the primer module re-sizing tool will make this job very easy. Also, if you are using a plug made 5 years ago and buy a bag of modules made last week you should most definitely size the modules to your old plug. I do the best I can for quality control of these parts, but I cannot control how other smiths install them and set up the rifles. Richard is correct about the AB modules, they are twice as hard as the brass, so if you are using them expect everything to be twice as hard to do, this includes installing the primers into the pocket, closing them into the breech plug and if re-sizing them, this to will also be harder to do. One more thing I can add about “hard module extraction” is that many Remington actions have very little, if any, primary extraction. If you have an action with no primary cam extraction, then no matter what you do to size your modules you will not get them to pop loose from the plug without smacking the bolt backwards with the palm of your hand. Therefore, I reposition every bolt handle on every Remington action I build on, that is included in the price of my rifle builds. It is a must do if you are using a Remington action made in the last 6-8 years and if your action has a serial number starting with RR I can almost guarantee you need the bolt handle repositioned. You can also polish the breech plug pocket using 400-600 grit wet or dry sandpaper, making it release the module a little easier. This is not something I do on my rifle builds, but it could help if you have sticky modules. |
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Post by yosemitesam on Jan 22, 2022 15:28:56 GMT -5
Wow, this describes my problem exactly. cleaning the breech plug also helped. I am going to order some additional primers and now know I need the sizer too. Which of the 2 thread sizes do I need for the R700 UML build plug you did for me a few years ago?
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