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Post by Deputy819 on Sept 29, 2021 14:20:56 GMT -5
Hey, folks. So, I recently purchased and began shooting one of Jeff’s CVA Scout conversions. First of all I have to say I love it! I’m new to the whole ‘smokeless thing’ so I’m learning A LOT from folks on this site as well as LRH (Len Backus). I’m fairly well seasoned at ‘load development’ for my center fire rifles and with good builds, tuned loads and proper fundamentals I’m anywhere from a 1/2 to 1/3 of a minute shooter. Concerning the CVA Scout, I’ve played around with bullet sizing some and powder charge some, but admittedly haven’t performed Satterlee tests or OCW or anything like that concerning charge weight. I’ve shot 65gr IMR 4198 under a wool wad and Fury 275 gr Star Tip ‘MZ’s at 174 yards for solid 3/4 of a minute groups at 2,591 fps (Magnetospeed V3) and I’ve also shot 60gr IMR 4198 under the previously mentioned components at the same distance for a velocity of 2,463 fps, also solid 3/4 minute groups. The rifle is to be used for thumping deer to 200 yards or less…..and that’s it. So, having said all that is the CVA Scout with said components capable of shooting into 1/2 minute at 175-200 yards? Would I be wasting my time (and more importantly right now, COMPONENTS) trying to wrestle this thing down to a 1/2 minute considering the rifle’s make/model and it’s intended use? Thanks folks! 👍
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Post by joelmoney on Sept 29, 2021 15:13:53 GMT -5
Considering intended use I probably wouldn’t worry about it. I would bet there is a little more accuracy available. With current accuracy a deer at 200 yards is never going to know the difference.
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Post by hillbill on Sept 29, 2021 18:37:46 GMT -5
I agree with Joel For 200 yds max you are deer good every time
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Post by outdoors81 on Sept 29, 2021 19:12:48 GMT -5
On CVA conversions I would be happy with what you have! They are all over the place, and you only hear about great groups for the most part. I shot my Scout over 125 times with multiple powder charges of H4198, bullets, wad, no wad, etc. I will say that if I knew then what I know now I may have done better, but the best I ever got was 1.25moa. I have since partied with the scout and the new owner has had the same results. I have a Bolt gun and a Bestill Omega now. They are both awesome, but I have higher standards for the bolt gun than I do for the Omega. If I can't get less than .5moa than I am disappointed with myself. The omega is .75moa to .5moa. They both are still a hell of a lot better than the savage 220f I used before!
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Post by ultimtepredator on Sept 29, 2021 19:14:27 GMT -5
Buckeye 68 shot a CVA scout in the challenge and i believe his 100 yards group was .322 .. I believe these guns with sufficient load development are well capable of 1/2 MOA or better Saw another fellow in high performance muzzleloader class consistently ring steel with the exact same rifle at 400 yards every shot
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Post by jims on Sept 29, 2021 19:16:43 GMT -5
That is plenty deer accurate IMO. I would not work too hard on trying to gain a 1/4 inch at your planned shot distances. Would it really help much unless shooting at ground squirrels.
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Post by Richard on Sept 29, 2021 21:00:31 GMT -5
One of the biggest accuracy "assets" with the break action rifles is controlling the recoil and jump of the forend. Because they are light, they have to be well supported. Those bags that Uncle Bud's and Caldwell make that sort of "surround the forend" along with a rear rabbit bag do a good job of mitigating this movement. I tried shooting one with basically no support and I might as well been shooting buckshot! As Hillbill indicated, at 200 yards, the deer will not know the difference in two or three inches of error!
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Post by Deputy819 on Sept 30, 2021 4:52:49 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies, fellas! I also forgot to mention that these 3/4 moa groups shot at 174 yards were done so with a 4-12X scope. Not the greatest for zooming in on that elusive “center target dot”..😇
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Post by dannoboone on Sept 30, 2021 11:26:37 GMT -5
I assume you are getting those great groups using the pictured bipod? If so, lucky you are! I have an otherwise accurate CF Encore which gets shotgun groups on a rest that far out from the hinge.
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Post by Deputy819 on Sept 30, 2021 16:43:09 GMT -5
I assume you are getting those great groups using the pictured bipod? If so, lucky you are! I have an otherwise accurate CF Encore which gets shotgun groups on a rest that far out from the hinge. Yes, I am. My rear rest is a Wiebad fortune cookie squeeze bag. I am shooting this little beast from prone and have a solid (‘neutral’ as possible) grip on the forearm with my left hand. I’ve shot the max of 65gr and a lower charge of 60gr with 3/4 moa groups for both charge weights. I shot this group today at 61gr (174 yards) and DANGED if I didn’t pull the 2nd shot!! Knew it the second the rifle let go. The 1st and 3rd shots felt GREAT and the target results show that. Gonna shoot this charge weight again tomorrow and try to rule shooter error out. 😇 Gonna use a new poster board target tomorrow as well….getting to be kind of messy to ‘decipher’ …
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Post by Deputy819 on Sept 30, 2021 16:51:59 GMT -5
Considering intended use I probably wouldn’t worry about it. I would bet there is a little more accuracy available. With current accuracy a deer at 200 yards is never going to know the difference. I think you’re right…..and I just can’t help shooting more groups in ascending 1.0gr increments to see if I can really find the ‘sweet spot’. I know at this point even the ‘not so optimal’ loads will still group at 3/4 of a minute. Like you said….plenty accurate for deer at 200 yards. 👍
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Post by joelmoney on Sept 30, 2021 17:06:16 GMT -5
I by no means wanted to tell you not to have fun and tweak things a little. You could play with wool vs fiber. Different position of a front rest. Contact and no contact with non trigger hand. Large Rifle vs Large Magnum Rifle primer. All those options could have an impact on group sizes. Need to = NO Want to=YES
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Post by Deputy819 on Sept 30, 2021 17:48:19 GMT -5
I by no means wanted to tell you not to have fun and tweak things a little. You could play with wool vs fiber. Different position of a front rest. Contact and no contact with non trigger hand. Large Rifle vs Large Magnum Rifle primer. All those options could have an impact on group sizes. Need to = NO Want to=YES 😂🤣 That’s not how I took it at all, Sir. I just can’t leave well enough alone and I’m in total agreement with you. 👍
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Post by buckeye68 on Oct 2, 2021 0:49:52 GMT -5
It’s all up to the shooter and what he or she is willing to accept for accuracy. Some shooter are happy hitting pie plates at 100 yards while other shooter wouldn’t even think about carry that gun in the woods to deer hunt with. Recently I did a cold bore shot and a second follow up shot to see what a real world hunting shot would be on paper. I shot a .548” at 100 yards. It’s a great hunting load, but can it be better? There’s only one way to find out and that’s only by testing. As far as a CVA a Scout goes I would definitely say yes you can get more accuracy out of it. Here is the target that the Ultimate Predator was talking about. It was shot at the last Ky Challenge. Could it be better? I guess there’s only one way to find out and that’s by testing. At at the end of the day it’s what ever makes the shooter happy that counts.
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Post by Deputy819 on Oct 2, 2021 4:49:40 GMT -5
It’s all up to the shooter and what he or she is willing to accept for accuracy. Some shooter are happy hitting pie plates at 100 yards while other shooter wouldn’t even think about carry that gun in the woods to deer hunt with. Recently I did a cold bore shot and a second follow up shot to see what a real world hunting shot would be on paper. I shot a .548” at 100 yards. It’s a great hunting load, but can it be better? There’s only one way to find out and that’s only by testing. As far as a CVA a Scout goes I would definitely say yes you can get more accuracy out of it. Here is the target that the Ultimate Predator was talking about. It was shot at the last Ky Challenge. Could it be better? I guess there’s only one way to find out and that’s by testing. At at the end of the day it’s what ever makes the shooter happy that counts. View AttachmentAgreed! Man, that’s an impressive target! The 3 powder charges I’ve tested so far have all been ‘adequate’ for deer hunting without a doubt. However, being the ‘tinkerer’ that I am I just have to see how tight I can make this thing shoot. Gonna work on that today actually! Appreciate all the replies here, fellas. 👍
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Post by Deputy819 on Oct 8, 2021 4:44:52 GMT -5
Replaced the Bushnell 3200 ‘Elite’ 4-12x40 with a Trijicon Credo HX 2.5-15x42 yesterday. WOW…what a difference it made. I played around last weekend with charge weights in the 61-62 gr range (IMR 4198) and I think there’s a ‘node’ there….3-shot groups at 174 yards shrunk to 1.25”….and that was with the Bushnell optic. Will shoot this weekend and hopefully confirm with the new optic.
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Post by joelmoney on Oct 8, 2021 9:48:01 GMT -5
Good scopes are hard to describe but when you look threw one you know it. Once you shoot good glass it doesn’t feel right shooting lesser quality glass. It’s an expensive circle.
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Post by Deputy819 on Oct 10, 2021 15:57:50 GMT -5
Well, I’m gonna say that I’ve reached the point of diminishing returns now. Just shot a FANTASTIC 3-SHOT group at 174 yards with my Scout V2 conversion topped with the new Trijicon Creedo optic. Shots 1&2 went into the same hole and I just barely pulled shot 3 a little. The group measures .825”. Fellas, I’m pretty dang happy with this thing. The deer ought to be fairly concerned next weekend. 😉
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Post by buckeye68 on Oct 10, 2021 17:32:03 GMT -5
Very nice shooting. It just goes to show you that these little CVA will just flat out shoot when set up properly. The Green Monster is officially ready for deer season now!! Good luck....
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Post by Deputy819 on Oct 10, 2021 19:38:11 GMT -5
Very nice shooting. It just goes to show you that these little CVA will just flat out shoot when set up properly. The Green Monster is officially ready for deer season now!! Good luck.... Thank you, Sir! I agree…”The Green Monster” is READY TO EAT! 😂
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