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Post by booner22 on Sept 22, 2021 20:24:14 GMT -5
I am having issues with sizing my 250gr xtp bullets. I am using them for targe and sizing on a fouled barrel. I have sized Pittman’s, fury, and ssts and haven’t had an issue except for the xtp. I am currently running them through the sizer 3 times. Outside of sizing right before I shoot is there any way to lessen this. I would say it has been an issue on about 4/5 of them. Any one have luck with sizing them down and getting a repeatable amount of spring back to account for. My scout has to be completely disassembled to remove the breach plug so it is causing me some issues getting the sizing right ahead of time. They are very light 1 hand loading at the time of sizing and then have to be hammered down the day I have shot them.
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Post by Richard on Sept 22, 2021 20:37:16 GMT -5
I have shot literally thousands of the 300 XTP's and have not had a similar problem. I also run my bullets thru my die three times. I could see it if you were using the 240 or 300 gr. magnum version due to their harder/thicker jackets.
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Post by dennis on Sept 22, 2021 21:07:41 GMT -5
Richard has shot way more xtp's than I have but I shoot them a good bit and don't size them ahead of time. I also run them through the die 3 times. If you are going to size ahead of time maybe try running them through 5-6 times and give them a try, otherwise size only what you intend to shoot that day. Just a suggestion. I size for a 1 finger push down the barrel, maybe size a touch smaller as you shouldn't have to hammer them down. I had a lot of problems in the beginning with sizing bullets a bit too snug.
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Post by booner22 on Sept 22, 2021 22:07:43 GMT -5
Richard has shot way more xtp's than I have but I shoot them a good bit and don't size them ahead of time. I also run them through the die 3 times. If you are going to size ahead of time maybe try running them through 5-6 times and give them a try, otherwise size only what you intend to shoot that day. Just a suggestion. I size for a 1 finger push down the barrel, maybe size a touch smaller as you shouldn't have to hammer them down. I had a lot of problems in the beginning with sizing bullets a bit too snug. [ I will give this a try, my sst’s size on the same setting and they went down one handed a week later. Thought I was loosing my mind for a minute and had brought a bunch of unsized ones to shoot. I have 4 small kids so my schedule doesnt always allow for sizing right before shooting. I also have had some really good luck with groups so was considering hunting with them if I am unable to match groups with another bullet. I will size a couple and measure them a week or so later.
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Post by buckeye68 on Sept 23, 2021 6:10:42 GMT -5
Are you using the same die for all different bullet manufacturers?
I personally will only size my bullets when I’m ready to use them.
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Post by Richard on Sept 23, 2021 6:51:18 GMT -5
Buckeye68 may have hit on your problem! While these dies are sold as adjustable, they take some doing to repeat settings. You can always adjust "smaller," but not larger........without totally loosening the top and running that bronze bullet (Hank provides) thru the die to expand the sizing sleeve. Now you can start turning the top down to your former setting. Many here ( myself included) have several dies specifically dedicated to a particular bullet. I also have about five "fixed"/ dies.
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Post by Richard on Sept 23, 2021 6:54:38 GMT -5
Buckeye68 may have hit on your problem! While these dies are sold as adjustable, they take some doing to repeat settings. You can always adjust "smaller," but not larger........without totally loosening the top and running that bronze bullet (Hank provides) thru the die to expand the sizing sleeve. Now you can start turning the top down to your former setting. Many here ( myself included) have several dies specifically dedicated to a particular bullet. I also have about five "fixed"/ dies. These sometimes get used in conjunction with the adjustable dies.
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Post by dennis on Sept 23, 2021 7:51:21 GMT -5
I have dedicated dies also.
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Post by booner22 on Sept 23, 2021 12:30:28 GMT -5
Buckeye68 may have hit on your problem! While these dies are sold as adjustable, they take some doing to repeat settings. You can always adjust "smaller," but not larger........without totally loosening the top and running that bronze bullet (Hank provides) thru the die to expand the sizing sleeve. Now you can start turning the top down to your former setting. Many here ( myself included) have several dies specifically dedicated to a particular bullet. I also have about five "fixed"/ dies. I do only have 1 die, but adjust it per each bullet. The xtp go down fine right after I size them with simple 1 hand pressure. I sized about 10 of each bullet checking each bullet type individually for figment. All the others were fine to shoot a week later. I had to hammer the xtps down both times. May try a couple more times through the sizer to see if that makes a difference
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Post by buckeye68 on Sept 23, 2021 18:10:16 GMT -5
Buckeye68 may have hit on your problem! While these dies are sold as adjustable, they take some doing to repeat settings. You can always adjust "smaller," but not larger........without totally loosening the top and running that bronze bullet (Hank provides) thru the die to expand the sizing sleeve. Now you can start turning the top down to your former setting. Many here ( myself included) have several dies specifically dedicated to a particular bullet. I also have about five "fixed"/ dies. I do only have 1 die, but adjust it per each bullet. The xtp go down fine right after I size them with simple 1 hand pressure. I sized about 10 of each bullet checking each bullet type individually for figment. All the others were fine to shoot a week later. I had to hammer the xtps down both times. May try a couple more times through the sizer to see if that makes a difference If one die is working for the others bullets but not the XTP’s, I would buy another die just for the XTP’s. After you make the proper adjustments you won’t have any more issues with the XTP’s. Make sure you label both sets of dies so you know which die to use with what bullets. Only size what you need at the range to avoid any issues. Only having one die for all different bullet manufacturers is like buy one size diaper for all your kids. Sooner or later $h!t will hit the floor.
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Post by booner22 on Sept 24, 2021 19:05:34 GMT -5
I do only have 1 die, but adjust it per each bullet. The xtp go down fine right after I size them with simple 1 hand pressure. I sized about 10 of each bullet checking each bullet type individually for figment. All the others were fine to shoot a week later. I had to hammer the xtps down both times. May try a couple more times through the sizer to see if that makes a difference If one die is working for the others bullets but not the XTP’s, I would buy another die just for the XTP’s. After you make the proper adjustments you won’t have any more issues with the XTP’s. Make sure you label both sets of dies so you know which die to use with what bullets. Only size what you need at the range to avoid any issues. Only having one die for all different bullet manufacturers is like buy one size diaper for all your kids. Sooner or later $h!t will hit the floor. I have to adjust it differently for every bullet so I guess I can deal with it, I hate to spend another 150 dollar s just to size these bullets with considering the gun probably won’t see 150 dollars worth of xtps in its lifetime.
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Post by hillbill on Sept 24, 2021 20:08:36 GMT -5
No need for another die XTPs, depending on which one you are using have more memory than these long ojive bullets most are using.
spring back has been discussed a good bit over the years, all bullets have at least some memory depending on how many times they get sent thru the die and how long they sit before use.
I recently ran some 350 Aeromax down my .40 cal bore and they were tighter than they were when I sized them even though I ran them through the die 3 times initially.
What did I do? I ran them through again and they were back to feeling like they should. That is likely what you will need to do right before shooting.
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Post by buckeye68 on Sept 24, 2021 23:47:37 GMT -5
If one die is working for the others bullets but not the XTP’s, I would buy another die just for the XTP’s. After you make the proper adjustments you won’t have any more issues with the XTP’s. Make sure you label both sets of dies so you know which die to use with what bullets. Only size what you need at the range to avoid any issues. Only having one die for all different bullet manufacturers is like buy one size diaper for all your kids. Sooner or later $h!t will hit the floor. I have to adjust it differently for every bullet so I guess I can deal with it, I hate to spend another 150 dollar s just to size these bullets with considering the gun probably won’t see 150 dollars worth of xtps in its lifetime. I personally would set up the die for Pittman Bullets and forget the others. If you want to play with XTP’s because they are cheap to shoot then I would spend the $115 for a new die. A lot less headache. That’s just my two cents worth!
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Post by booner22 on Sept 25, 2021 6:00:42 GMT -5
Probably where I will end up in a few years This gun was purchased to allow my 5 and 9 year olds to hunt in a shotgun only state. I personally haven’t gun hunted in 10 years. I have an original savage but this year I but needed two guns. After I find a good reduced recoil load will go back to shooting a few times a year. The Pittman’s are backup at this time if I couldn’t get anything else to shoot.
On a tangent I do have another sizer it is with a builder doing a bolt gun for me but he is not exactly been timely with the build or staying in contact. The Cva was merely something to get us through hopefully just this year and then be put back in service in a couple years as I have a house full of boys that are chomping at the bit to hunt with dad.
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