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Post by scallop on Dec 28, 2015 12:11:19 GMT -5
What are your thoughts on using a Surgeon 591 single shot action for a SML build?
First off, I know the price difference between a custom action and a Remington 700. A Surgeon 591 with trigger and trigger guard will run approximately $1500.00. A new Remington 700 SA with new trigger and trigger guard will run approximately $650.00. Also, in general, I will see small increases in performance as my cost increase and I am not getting my money back on resale.
So, for this discussion, the difference in price between the actions is irrelevant.
I know there are a lot of custom actions on the market. I am more familiar with the Surgeon 591. The reason I bring up the Surgeon 591 single shot is it has a integral recoil lug and scope rail. It also has .95" of thread tenon compared to the Remington 700's .70" of thread tenon. The integral recoil lug and scope rail along with it been a single shot, should make it a very stiff action. The extra thread tenon would lead to better barrel / action interface. Since, we are using heavy contour barrels for these SML, the added action stiffness and better barrel / action interface would make a "better" barreled action in my mind. (I am not a gunsmith.).
What at are your thoughts?
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Post by scallop on Dec 28, 2015 12:12:27 GMT -5
I apologize if my terminology is incorrect.
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Post by Hank on Dec 28, 2015 12:20:46 GMT -5
The custom actions are always a nice touch to any build. The integral lug and pic rail is an added benefit to that action. I would say it will make a nice rifle and will shoot very good when it is finished. I have built them on Stiller actions, a Pierce action and I have one now that I'm building on a Bat action. Do they shoot any better then the ones I build on a 700 action... No but they sure do look good and work slick.... So if you want a custom action I say go for it., it will work great....
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Post by rojo23 on Dec 28, 2015 12:50:53 GMT -5
Check out buds gun shop in KY. They have 700 actions with factory triggers for less than $400. Not sure the price if you want stainless. They usually have free shipping
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Post by scallop on Dec 28, 2015 14:21:44 GMT -5
My pricing for the Remington 700 action included an aftermarket trigger and a machined trigger guard. I figured $450 for the 700 action, $150 for an aftermarket trigger, and $50 for a trigger guard.
My question was more out of curiousity. I have two SML that I am very happy with. A Hankins 45 SPML built on a Rem700 action and a NULA 50cal.
Thanks for the replies.
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Post by keith on Dec 29, 2015 8:23:17 GMT -5
The Peirce that Jeff mentioned belongs to me. I got a steal on it because some guy ordered it, never paid for it, and they had it sitting around for a year. If you already own the Surgeon or can get it at a really good price do it. Who knows you might need it for an F-Class gun down the road. I partly picked it because I may use it for a Palma gun down the road.
Advantage is if you ever sell it down the road you have a custom gun not a used Remington with a custom barrel. Do they shot better? Maybe, maybe not. Mine will, every time, shoot groups better than most guns at the last KY rendezvous. Could be I got a really good barrel. Could be my action is stiffer and it helps. Could be a true action helps more than its been given credit for. I can't say.
Disadvantage is initial cost. That money could go to parts, your gunsmith bill, bullets, or powder. But then you would just have a used Rem 700 with a good barrel if you went to sell it. Nothing wrong with that, I have a few Rem 700 actions with custom barrels.
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Post by Richard on Dec 29, 2015 21:12:48 GMT -5
I am with Jeff 100% Leave the custom actions to the CF and more particularly the bench rest crowd. Stiffness of action is a moot point in a muzzle loader. You do not have a cartridge and a bolt face that must be in alignment. Everything pretty much takes place forward of your breech plug. Spend your money on the quality barrel and good trigger and properly bedded stock. Along with a good mount and glass. Spend time on the range and assessing your components and their fit.
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Post by jon on Dec 30, 2015 3:43:10 GMT -5
Richard +1 Personally if I trued anything it would be the face of the receiver. JMO
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Post by muddy72 on Dec 30, 2015 21:57:23 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with the advise given above! As for the Remmy 700 route, having the bolt and receiver face squared is a good idea. If you go with a full custom, or the 700, you can always think ahead and do a switch barrel for a centerfire that works with your bolt face. Varmint gun? Lots of possibilities with a .308 bolt. I'm not sure of the Surgeon inlet but for example take a Borden Alpine short action, these have a 700 foot print. Now finding a stock is that much easier and you still get good resale if need be. My Alpine is bedded in a $100 40X stock that I refinished myself. It's a switch barrel, 2 centerfires. Saved a lot of money! JMO
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Post by scallop on Dec 31, 2015 20:15:43 GMT -5
Surgeon 591 (which is their short action) is a Rem700 footprint.
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Post by keith on Dec 31, 2015 21:23:52 GMT -5
If there is a doubt in your mind, since price is irrelevant, do it. It gets said often enough here, do what pleases you because only you have to live with your choices. There is more than one person on here who wishes they had chosen something different than what they have and it probably was something they debated prior to committing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 22:02:53 GMT -5
If there is a doubt in your mind, since price is irrelevant, do it. It gets said often enough here, do what pleases you because only you have to live with your choices. There is more than one person on here who wishes they had chosen something different than what they have and it probably was something they debated prior to committing. I agree, if money is not a factor...then chalk it up to "gracious living" and go for it. |
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