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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 20:30:02 GMT -5
Knowing your max range in a hunting setup and possible impact range how does jacket thickness come into play ? If your shooting under a 100 yds a thin jacketed bullet is more likely to fragment wile a thicker one would pencil hole through a deer. Any thoughts on what bullet for desired range. ?
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Post by Hank on Jul 10, 2015 21:33:17 GMT -5
Alan.
That's a good question and I guess it depends on what game you're hunting as to what bullet is the better choice. Now you know me.. I'm a Parker bullet fan so I would choose the BE's for whitetail deer and smaller critters,, mule deer and up I would choose a match hunter and if I had a bunch of money on an elk hunt it would be the 327 match hunters.
I have always preferred fragmentation over penetration,, I believe that by exhausting all the bullets energy into the animal that it almost alway makes for an instantainous death.. The only draw back to the BE is you must place your shot in the boiler room.. Shoot them like you were now hunting and they will usually drop dead.. The match hunter gives you a little leeway but you might have to track it down...
Or you can do what Rodney does and shoot him at 40 yards and call for help.. Lol...
Jeff
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Post by rojo23 on Jul 10, 2015 21:55:41 GMT -5
The one doe I killed at about 60 yards with a parker B.E. dropped and her tail didn't even twitch. The BE are pretty hard on the meat if you are looking for that. The entry hole was about as big as a quarter, and not an exit hole. I do want to try the match hunters on a deer this year and see how they do. I have seen pictures of the BE's on black bear and the results were the same, the bears didn't even take a step.
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Post by nick on Jul 11, 2015 7:07:42 GMT -5
Alan! I have shot many deer with the 275BE and never lost one of them. They are definitely not the best hunting bullet for 3000fps unless you are shooting longer shots. But I can not get away from them because they are very accurate. I learned quickly that to stay off of shoulders at close range. I shot a doe around 60yds and it looked like it got hit with a bowling bowl.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2015 9:06:19 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies guys,but what if you are sitting over a 600 yd beanfield on the licking river where a deer might tempt a 400yd shot from you,would the 275be still be your first choice because of how accurate they can be?
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Post by Hank on Jul 11, 2015 10:06:11 GMT -5
Alan.. That to me is where the BE would perform best, because by the time it gets to 400 yards it is slowing down enough to not EXPLODE on impact. It would then give you good penetration and still deliver its energy into the animal.., however,, I would still shoot for the boiler room...
Mike (oneshotike)took his farthest shot ever at a doe in that river bottom the first year he got his gun. We were hunting in that stand with the blue roof and 4 doe came out at 300 yards. I told mike to aim 4 inches high and squeeze one off, the second he pulled the trigger the doe dropped and he looked at me and said,, "That's the longest shot I ever made, well the other three doe just stood there so I told him too reload and shoot another one, so he did and it dropped,, then I said, let me shoot one, so I loaded the rifle and shot the third doe. We did all of this in less than three minutes. Finally the fourth doe took off or she would have been next...
I am a big fan of the BE's
Jeff
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Post by rojo23 on Jul 11, 2015 18:25:29 GMT -5
Jeff, what did the bullets do at 300 yards? Do they penetrate further, versus exploding on impact? I prefer to shoot in the boiler room versus shoulder just to save more meat.
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Post by xring on Jul 11, 2015 21:23:08 GMT -5
 This doe was standing straight towards me. I guess her to be 250yds and cross hairs where on her nose. The correct yardage was 269yds so my shot went under her chin thru her neck and out her back.68gr IMR4198 and 300gr match hunter. It's kind of funny this thread is here because I had deer loins for supper tonight and found a piece of aluminum fragment in a piece. No tracking DRT. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2015 21:33:59 GMT -5
Makes a lot of sense and deer sausage
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jul 12, 2015 8:56:18 GMT -5
Last time I spoke with Bob Parker (this spring). He told me the 300gn BE had some confirmed kills from staff shooters at over 500yds. He did not disclose the load. But then I never asked at that time either
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Post by deadeye on Jul 12, 2015 9:07:31 GMT -5
all parkers are all awesome imo. whichever you choose is fine with me. 
but here with our winds & hunting in the open fields the winds are squirrely so I opt for the 327mh for this work especially past 400yds.
in my past experience's with the 275be I don't ever recall anything other than a bangflop even past 300yds. this load was only 2421fps @ 10ft.
the 327mh gets somewhat volatile after striking bone but I did hit a doe around 250yds @ approx. 3" higher than where I would have liked-it went between the ribs on both sides & penciled through without striking bone resulting in almost no blood trail for 200yds then she started bleeding. still a very dead deer.
in years past I have played out to 500yds w/ the 275be & out to 771yds w/ the 327mh playing the wind while field shooting- the 327mh is the best windbucker & gets my vote for what I do.
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Post by hillbill on Jul 13, 2015 12:25:30 GMT -5
My turn?
Having taken several deer with both bullets the MH line gets my vote. The 300 is my main bullet and it performs very well, no frags, no pencils just dead within 40 yds every time, many times drt.
The BE is way too explosive for my tastes, (don't like the taste or texture of lead) and they leave it deposited over a large area.
Would have to agree with deadeye on the 327s out long, excellent bullet.
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Post by bestill458 on Jul 13, 2015 23:00:49 GMT -5
I vote match hunter line . Im big fan of 327 high shoulder but farthest to date dead rite there is 275 mh at 326 yds   |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 0:15:08 GMT -5
My custom really likes the 250 or 290 TEZ and it is a real performer when it comes to internal ballistics. I made a kill last year right close to 300 yards. It expands at close and long range, only giving up a few petals at close range due to the high impact velocity. I did not recover the previously mentioned bullet but these were recovered at 50 yards where I shot them into a series of gallon milk jugs filled with water. They both penetrated seven jugs and were recovered from the eighth. I have also killed other deer with my 45-70 using a similar bullet (300gr TTSX.458 designed for the SOCOM) and it performed flawlessly.  |
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