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Jun 26, 2021 14:14:47 GMT -5
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Post by hillbill on Jun 26, 2021 14:14:47 GMT -5
Tonight I will get this started
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Post by jims on Jun 26, 2021 20:22:03 GMT -5
Will follow it.
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Post by ultimtepredator on Jun 26, 2021 21:28:50 GMT -5
I’m testing tomorrow with 124-127 in .5 grain increments after chasing my tail for lord knows how long with an extremely loose picattiny rail.. it’s pinned so POI close but not what I know it’s capable of… Shooting N560 w/350 aeromax in earthquake rifle.. RL-16 and 325’s testing in predator rifle I’ll list velocity soon
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Post by hillbill on Jun 27, 2021 13:08:55 GMT -5
I have my book out that I write stuff down in, while I have not kept up with all my testing I have records of some loads and combos. my first recorded load was 4-6-18 with the gun I called Anesthesia, it is the load I landed on after trying a few loads that I didn't keep a record of for whatever reason?
Gun: Rem 700 action w/ Rock Creek barrel 1.250-5" straight taper to .800 @ 28" H.I.S. ignition
1st recorded load........297 Hammer full formed w-105 grains of RL-15, I didn't write down the speed, I think my Magnetospeed had puked at that time but it is close to 2900 FPS and is a great hunting load, I killed several deer with it. I visited several loads with this gun, most were full formed, the load listed above is super clean and loads like butter, I think I could shoot it 100 shots and never build fouling. I also tried the 322 Hammers with the same powder @ 102 grains with similar results.
2. Gun: rem 700 lighter build RC barrel 15 twist @ 24" #6 coutour with 5" shank
275 Accumax W/ 80 grains of VV N-540 smooth formed wool wad @ 2903 AVG, good accuracy and seemed to be fairly clean but I didn't shoot extended shot strings to get a good feel for it, went up as high as 88 and smoked a module so I landed at 80, the gun belonged to someone else.
3. Gun: custom barreled Apex: 1.155 RC barrel 13.2 twist W-6" shank straight taper to .800 @ 28" Lug, base and forearm thimbles all are tig welded, no holes drilled, 9/16 Hankins plug with DI ignition
273 Hammer full formed, I will have to go back and see what the charge and the speed is
will continue tonight.
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Jun 28, 2021 14:50:58 GMT -5
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Post by Sideshow on Jun 28, 2021 14:50:58 GMT -5
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Post by ultimtepredator on Jun 29, 2021 9:49:10 GMT -5
Last night I had limited time to test so range time Sunday didn’t go so well… I’m going to man up and tell what happened… so please if u take multiple muzzleloader to range as I do BEWARE of this.. I had been shooting 128.5 grain N560 in heavy built.40 and 350 aeromax to test previous and 102.3 grain H4895 in a .45 caliber I just call RC45..and 325’s.. Finished for the day put everything up went home.. got out last weekend again to test loaded my loading block I always use .. first shot good, second shot fired ok but the third vaporized the primer back into my cheek… looked at block ,2 Bullets 2 charges ..WTH went wrong face still stinging.. I keep my test loads identification by cap colors and write on paper what each color represents and powder type.., Picked up next two charges and had put red caps 102.3 grain of H4895 in with 128.5 N 560 with red caps so 102.3 grain and 350 aeromax in a .40 is very high in pressure according to quickloads…approximately 78 grain and a 300 close to max . So back to the didn’t go so well again ..some how after the wrong charge my rifle would only fire about half the loads .. Took bolt out and noticed only a small tip of firing pin coming through hole. Took it apart to find it had gotten bent from possibly the vaporized primer debris or just the pressure idk .. any way I got it straight and tested again last night at 124.0,126.0 and 124.5 Had some vertical but what was interesting and have seen before but over a 2 grain spread only 22FPS difference . Thinking and verified with another member that I probably in beginning and outer edge of node … velocity were in 3193-3215 FPS going back next after bike trip with 124.5-126.0 and test 4 each at 3-400 yards
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Jun 30, 2021 9:16:12 GMT -5
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Post by Sideshow on Jun 30, 2021 9:16:12 GMT -5
Last night I had limited time to test so range time Sunday didn’t go so well… I’m going to man up and tell what happened… so please if u take multiple muzzleloader to range as I do BEWARE of this.. I had been shooting 128.5 grain N560 in heavy built.40 and 350 aeromax to test previous and 102.3 grain H4895 in a .45 caliber I just call RC45..and 325’s.. Finished for the day put everything up went home.. got out last weekend again to test loaded my loading block I always use .. first shot good, second shot fired ok but the third vaporized the primer back into my cheek… looked at block ,2 Bullets 2 charges ..WTH went wrong face still stinging.. I keep my test loads identification by cap colors and write on paper what each color represents and powder type.., Picked up next two charges and had put red caps 102.3 grain of H4895 in with 128.5 N 560 with red caps so 102.3 grain and 350 aeromax in a .40 is very high in pressure according to quickloads…approximately 78 grain and a 300 close to max . So back to the didn’t go so well again ..some how after the wrong charge my rifle would only fire about half the loads .. Took bolt out and noticed only a small tip of firing pin coming through hole. Took it apart to find it had gotten bent from possibly the vaporized primer debris or just the pressure idk .. any way I got it straight and tested again last night at 124.0,126.0 and 124.5 Had some vertical but what was interesting and have seen before but over a 2 grain spread only 22FPS difference . Thinking and verified with another member that I probably in beginning and outer edge of node … velocity were in 3193-3215 FPS going back next after bike trip with 124.5-126.0 and test 4 each at 3-400 yards Wow !!! Youre pretty lucky !!! You may have to do what ive always done - seperate shooting/use boxes for each gun . Tools and all . A PITA but saves on mistakes . Each prep is completed and stored away before i go to another and its own box is opened . Glad youre ok . Couldve been alot different outcome !!!
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Post by joelmoney on Jun 30, 2021 15:46:37 GMT -5
Ultimatepredator Glad to hear nothing too severe happened. I was planning on stretching the legs of my .40. I haven’t gotten my .40 out yet this year. Still shooting my plain Jane Rl-16 loads.
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Aug 31, 2021 21:49:53 GMT -5
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Post by jimmykip on Aug 31, 2021 21:49:53 GMT -5
Ultimatepredator Glad to hear nothing too severe happened. I was planning on stretching the legs of my .40. I haven’t gotten my .40 out yet this year. Still shooting my plain Jane Rl-16 loads. Care to share the plain Jane info Joel?
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Post by joelmoney on Aug 31, 2021 22:54:31 GMT -5
100gr of RL-16 behind a 325 Aeromax ignited by Direct Ignition. I shoot that load in a 1-13” twist without a wad. My brother shoots it in his 1-15” and needs a wad.
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Sept 1, 2021 8:28:57 GMT -5
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Post by ballistic on Sept 1, 2021 8:28:57 GMT -5
100gr of RL-16 behind a 325 Aeromax ignited by Direct Ignition. I shoot that load in a 1-13” twist without a wad. My brother shoots it in his 1-15” and needs a wad. Are you full forming or land riding that load combo ? And do you have to clean/brush between shots ? Thanks
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Sept 1, 2021 8:36:30 GMT -5
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Post by joelmoney on Sept 1, 2021 8:36:30 GMT -5
100gr of RL-16 behind a 325 Aeromax ignited by Direct Ignition. I shoot that load in a 1-13” twist without a wad. My brother shoots it in his 1-15” and needs a wad. Are you full forming or land riding that load combo ? And do you have to clean/brush between shots ? Thanks No cleaning needed. This load was worked up in my gun to be clean. Just happens to be clean in brothers also. 2grs less 2grs more in my gun you can feel fouling after 1shot. Bullets are smooth formed for land riding.
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Sept 1, 2021 8:49:35 GMT -5
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Post by ballistic on Sept 1, 2021 8:49:35 GMT -5
Are you full forming or land riding that load combo ? And do you have to clean/brush between shots ? Thanks No cleaning needed. This load was worked up in my gun to be clean. Just happens to be clean in brothers also. 2grs less 2grs more in my gun you can feel fouling after 1shot. Bullets are smooth formed for land riding. That’s great to hear !!!! I’ve been using reloder 15 with great results but I have to brush between shots I have reloder 16 so I’m going to try your combo out (I tried it with other combos and it was dirty ) My barrel is a 28” 1-14 brux and I’m running direct ignition with Winchester large rifle primers. What length barrel are you and your brother running and what primers ? Thanks again !!!
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Post by joelmoney on Sept 1, 2021 9:52:09 GMT -5
The load is upper end. We are using federal #215M. If I remember correctly at 103grs I was seeing primer back flow. The 100gr load primers looked a lot like my HOT 338 RUM loads I think we are shooting 28” shortest would be 26”.
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Post by ballistic on Sept 1, 2021 22:00:24 GMT -5
The load is upper end. We are using federal #215M. If I remember correctly at 103grs I was seeing primer back flow. The 100gr load primers looked a lot like my HOT 338 RUM loads I think we are shooting 28” shortest would be 26”. I have some notes using 100 grains reloder 16 @2900 FPS I went up in 4 grain increments to 108 grains @3070 Then 113 @3096 and 3113 I did not have signs of pressure on the primers with those loads but I could see I was getting close with 113 grains It seemed I hit a spot where more powder didn’t increase speed (as 108 grains was almost the same speed as 113) so I gave up to try a faster burn rate powder. I was brushing between shots just to test for speeds and signs of pressure-the rounds went down the barrel super easy and that may have made the difference w these picky .40,s I have since tried to load with more pressure going down the barrel and will try reloder 16 again. What speeds are you getting with 100 grains of reloder 16 on your 325,s ? If it’s faster than 2900 I will need to increase pressure to push Bullets down the barrel. BTW - thanks for sharing your load info and how being out 2 grains either way makes a big difference between clean and dirty. Talk about picky……..Great stuff - thanks again !!!
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Post by joelmoney on Sept 1, 2021 22:28:36 GMT -5
Regrettably I lost my my log book. I know our velocities were just over 3,000 FPS. Thinking 3,020-3,050. Might be the magnum primer or just faster barrel. You will be pleased when you hit the right charge it will actually clean barrel. At least it did for me. I went from nearly a hammer down to two fingers in 2 rounds. Bullet sizing I don’t believe changes pressure much. If I remember correctly a hammer down doesn’t increase speed.
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Post by joelmoney on Sept 1, 2021 23:17:21 GMT -5
Ok been thinking on you lower pressures and velocities. I am guessing you are not using a wad. Betting if you try a wad things will change. I think I am right on the edge of needing a wad myself. I thought just the DI enabled me not to need a wad. Then my brothers gun would not hit paper with only 1.75” less twist I deducted the was a twist and DI that allowed my success of not using a wad. I have seen on occasion when shooting groups a drop in velocity and a low flyer. This never happens on a load that has sat in the gun for days. I now think that has to due with fouling getting crusty. Dang I think you just asked the correct question and presented some facts to get me to rethink my load.
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Post by buckstuds on Sept 9, 2021 20:14:11 GMT -5
Tried 275 gr bullets with 75 gr of h4895 tonight. 2885 fps on magnospeed with .3 groups at 100 yds. I think this is my deer load for this year.
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Post by cap on Sept 11, 2021 12:09:33 GMT -5
New here and researching a .40 build myself. Appreciate all the effort and information put forth by everyone.
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Post by shindig on Oct 5, 2021 7:43:33 GMT -5
Glad you are ok, outcome could of been different
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