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Post by afisher on Feb 19, 2021 9:48:02 GMT -5
Guess it’s a matter of what one wants. That’s what makes the world go around. Guy at Hells Canyon says his tubes are tested to 120k in psi so I’d imagine it’d take a lot of the loads a person would want to throw at it. About the same principle as a 338-378 Weatherby in a light gun. It’ll shoot as far as most should shoot but is it going to be nice when it does it? Not likely
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Post by sew on Feb 19, 2021 10:28:51 GMT -5
Elkman, What you state makes perfect sense. However, I don’t have perfect sense. I’ve had a 40 smokeless since 2002 or 2003 and just am addicted to a 40. Additionally, I want a very lightweight 40 that can reach to 300 yards, if needed. So, with me, I just want the ultimate 40 cal walk around (I’ll be 74 in 2 months) since I frequently walk in 1/2-1 miles and like to “still hunt” and may essentially be more or less on my feet all day. Using a 16 1/2# rifle/scope for 9 days and later 3 days, may have caused me to “overreact”; but, that’s ok.
Sometimes, we just aren’t practical but just do what we want and get deep into diminishing returns. I’m one of those, but most of us can only do that in one or two areas of life.
PS My heavy 40 has HIS, my forthcoming ultralite 40 will have both DI and HIS. That stated, my 209 ignited 10ML2/40 PN using VV110/Varget and 225g AccuMaxes and 195 Bs has consistent ESs in the single digits. Maybe someday 209 ignitions will catch on🙂.
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Post by hillbill on Feb 19, 2021 20:11:28 GMT -5
Elkman I don't put ramrods on my guns but I can make a .45 come in about 8 lbs with the rail on it. The gun I described above should make that weight and with a 300 Aeromax @ 2750 it is not unpleasant to shoot. It will also be a true 400+ hunting rig, no I wouldn't shoot monster loads from it, the shoulder would cry wolf but in most hunting situations there is no need for T-Rex loads.
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Post by sew on Feb 20, 2021 9:57:06 GMT -5
Elkman, What you just stated is correct and totally practical, imo. However, I keep a collapsible ramrod in my pack. But, I notice that a # here on Hank’s board spare no expense having just the long range smokeless MLer they want. I just want the most efficient, practical to me, woods rifle possible. Here in Arkansas, i can hunt coyotes 12 months a year with a MZer up thru 40 cal, and “big” game down thru 40 cal. Only a 40 can be used for everything - varmints, predators, deer, bear, always legal to carry, At almost 74, and hopefully with a lot more years to hunt, increasingly more still hunting, a light, efficient, woods gun is what I want. After years of of really burning the candle working and not retiring until in my 70s, the lightest, most efficient and financially impractical 40 just fits the bill.🙂
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Post by jims on Feb 20, 2021 10:02:05 GMT -5
Will be following these builds with interest. Many different types.
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Post by Sideshow on Feb 26, 2021 23:13:24 GMT -5
Well guys its been awhile , hope everbody has been well . Ive got a parts pile complete but could use a bit of input if you would be so kind . Brux mod #6 40 barrel w/ a 55 to 60 gr chamber Rem target action HIS bp and ab moduals Tuner Brake .250 lug Timney hunter elite trigger Hanks rail w/ mtn tech 30mm lows Adl triggerguard A sporter Revolution coffee laminate stock-lightened ALOT w/pillars then bedded Kick-eez magnum pad My trusty Zeiss Diavari for now
Where all this ends up weight wise/safety wise is where i could use some input .
My plan is for 225pittmans , 240 ot furys , or 250 pittmams as my primary focus for smokeless deer @around 2900+fps . I also have 275 pittmans and 325s too for bh209 loads . The smokeless goal is Flat as possible with 5 to 600 yds absolute MAX shots !!! Thinking 4895 ,70+ish gr and or h322 w/a bit less as appropriate .
My question is the barrel . Id like to be 26in plus brake . That leaves me 2 inches to cut off from one end or the other SAFELY after that 1st inch muzzle cut . Weight is Also a BIG issue as i want this to be light as possible as ive been known to walk Miles !!! Ive yet to weigh the pile . Its gonna be what its gonna be unfortunately?? Your experiance would be much appreciated for some guidance . We both know Where the weight is on the barrel, 5 inch shank , but it sure takes its time tapering down 6 inches to 1 inch !!! You KNOW what id Like to do BUT Where would you cut it ?? This is my first sml build and youre right , its addictive !!! My 45 and i have been doing fabulous too FYI , as long as i dont have to carry it far. Thanks for any and all answers if you wouldnt mind . I truly do appreciate the experiance here for this.......
Ps Sew that 40 sounds like a dandy to me !!! I wish id be that light but this is what i got . I just want a bit more range just in case.......
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Post by hillbill on Feb 27, 2021 1:21:52 GMT -5
I can give you a good estimate but the stock? pile it all up and weigh it? A #6 @ 26" is getting pretty small diameter? you didn't mention brake size and thread? the kick-eze is pretty heavy, a Decelerator will weigh a few oz less. Keep all the shank, you need all of it. One easy place to lose weight is an aluminum bolt shroud and fluted bolt with aluminum bolt knob.
Be sure and lay the barrel in the channel on your stock to make sure it's not too thin toward the end of the shank, you likely already have. Keep in mind a 24" barrel will suffice just fine IF you don't plan on shooting the slower powders, a 24" tube with 70 grns of H-4198 and a 300 will net 2750 in cool weather, that load is tolerable with a light gun as long as you have a brake, I'm building myself one now for a pure hunting rig and it will wear a 24" #6, I might even cut it to 23"?
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Post by Sideshow on Feb 27, 2021 1:52:03 GMT -5
Thanks hillbill . The stock is under 2lb but dont recall the exact weight rikght now . My brake is 11/16 32tpi thread size . I know the #6 is slim but its not fluted either . With the 5 in shank and the 6in taper to 1in it "Seems" i may be able to shorten it on the big end . But this is why i asked . I dont really care to shoot heavier bullets with smokeless . I think a 240 to 250gr job will do it pretty well for my absolute max dam he is big yardages of 5 to 600 . A 400yd avg is more like the norm . Dennis Fury claims 15in of drop in his 40 with 63 gr of varget and the 240ot iirc @ 500 . I dont recall his zero off the top of my head either right now . Wish i could see your reply as this is all i can remember as i write lol . Its late !!!
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Post by hillbill on Feb 27, 2021 1:58:29 GMT -5
You will be 8 1/4-9 depending on if you do anything with the bolt, including the rail, be sure and bed the rail.
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Post by hillbill on Feb 27, 2021 2:02:33 GMT -5
I missed the fact that you are using a .40 barrel, If you need to you can turn the shank to 1.200 and use a 9/16 plug
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Post by Sideshow on Feb 27, 2021 2:17:34 GMT -5
Wow ok , i asked Hank and he picked the 5/8 HIS ?? The chamber too . Now im confused..... A bedded rail is planned . The shank is 1.200 once again iirc . Im not so sure all our gears are meshing so good right now . Its 2:39am and much seems missing . Ttyl......
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Post by buckstuds on Feb 27, 2021 8:09:38 GMT -5
Bill, your load is for a 45 not a 40 you suggested.
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Post by Sideshow on Feb 27, 2021 15:00:29 GMT -5
Bill, your load is for a 45 not a 40 you psuggested. All good buckstuds i caught that . I do stand corrected too , my shank is 1.246 x 5 and the taper is 3.5in to 1in . With 3in cut from the muzzle its .771ish . With .6875dia x 32tpi x .750L threads is enough for the brake easy . But i guess a ff die idea for copper is gone ?? Looks like it . Well any other ideas ?? Suggestions ?? Ive got a 308 bolt face wish i knew before of the 223 . Thats a great idea . Oh i got the stock down to 1lb 14oz too . Pretty stealth for laminate . Wrote it on the box . And i agree a kick-eez is heavy but i figure it will help balance it and they are Cadilacs for comfort . Didnt really want to go there But what would you suggest for truly worthwhile straight flutes ?? . How deep ?? What im considering is a fine splined effect .
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Post by buckstuds on Feb 27, 2021 15:38:11 GMT -5
All three of us are going for the same loads. Should be nice for load sharing. I am going to be trying vvn530 in mine first. Kyles 228 and 250 showed up this week. My powder chamber is 60 grain.
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Post by Sideshow on Feb 27, 2021 15:59:24 GMT -5
Buckstuds i like that !!! Thank you !!! I will be awhile yet though ..... but im very much a tinkerer . Love that Wow i never considered vv530 ?? Im gonna have to look at that . Seems their powders are all pretty clean too .
The tuner brake is for adjusting the harmonic node between clean and accurate if i must . They work . For my 40 it seemed like a good option to have available .
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Post by nick50471 on Feb 28, 2021 10:47:12 GMT -5
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Post by dennis on Feb 28, 2021 13:01:19 GMT -5
Very nice rifle Nick.
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Post by sew on Feb 28, 2021 13:25:03 GMT -5
Beautiful!
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Post by 82mastertech on Feb 28, 2021 17:56:03 GMT -5
I have aquired most of the parts for 2 builds. One is an 18 twist 45 cal on Remington 700 action. The other is a 40 cal on a Remington 700 chassis. Both will have Geiselle 2 stage triggers. I am also sending a 50 cal Omega to Bestill Creations for some work.
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Post by Sideshow on Mar 2, 2021 9:27:19 GMT -5
Man thats sharp !!! Did you custom order that color or dye a plain laminate ?? No doubt she loves it !!!
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