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Post by trekman on Dec 24, 2020 9:55:48 GMT -5
I would like to get into some long range target shooting, not at a competition level, just to ring some steel at 300-800yds. I'm thinking either 6.5 Creedmor or 6.5 PRC. Few ones I have been looking at are the Christensen Arms Messa long range, Bergara Premier HMR pro, Ruger Hawkeye Long Range. Any opinions on caliber and other rifle choices would be appreciated, would like to stay under 2K.
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Post by leftyml on Dec 24, 2020 15:03:01 GMT -5
Hard to beat 6.5 creedmoor for what you want. I am now shooting a savage stealth 6.5cm,1/2moa to 1000 yds. Helped a friend work up some loads for his bergara hmr.That rifle shot 1/2" or better at 100yds. IMO both rifles need better triggers. Even buying new triggers you are still around $1000 bucks. Had a ruger hawkeye in 6.5cm.Harder to get triggers,20moa bases and such. Bergara uses rem. 700 platform so upgrades are easier. For the money the bergara is hard to beat!
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Post by gd357 on Dec 24, 2020 16:42:11 GMT -5
Ammo will be much more readily avaiable in the creedmoor. If you stick to ringing steel, it will be fine. For living targets, the PRC is better.
The Bergara is a great rifle. From what you've mentioned, thats where I'd lean. Just my $.02
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Post by bkm on Dec 25, 2020 11:54:59 GMT -5
Don’t do it ! U will be addicted for ever more.
It never ends. After u shoot 500yds then u want 1000yds then 1500yds etc...
Then u will need a better scope, better bbl, better reloading equipment
Better everything.
Seriously, u will really enjoy it. I don’t own a 6.5 Creedmore but have seen lots of guys at the range shoot them with remarkable accuracy to 1000 yds.
I think it’s because of all the research Hornady has done with that cartridge and their match ammo.
Good luck on ur new adventure.
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Post by elkman1310 on Dec 26, 2020 22:59:36 GMT -5
If you only want to shoot steel plates out to 1k just about anything works on calm days. The 6.5CM is probably the most over hyped round there is today it matches a 260 Rem which I competed with in High Power Silhouette for many years the 6.5 does have good bullet choices which helps it over come a modest velocity of around 2750fps out of most rifles. Plenty of rifles are chambered in the 6.5cm so that is a plus and plenty of choices on loaded ammo. The real down side to the 260 Rem 6.5CM and others in that velocity class lack the velocity and the accuracy to even begin to be competitive as a 1,000 yard benchrest round on paper where the goal is to shoot the smallest 10 shot group possible. The 6mm Dasher is the king of the 1,000 yard matches we average 90 shooters at our matches you won't find one 6.5CM on the firing line several guys have tried to make them competitive but quickly dropped them. But if just want to have fun the 6.5CM will work. I would caution again spending a lot of money on the rifle the optics are as important as the rifle.
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Post by trekman on Dec 27, 2020 17:15:12 GMT -5
If you only want to shoot steel plates out to 1k just about anything works on calm days. The 6.5CM is probably the most over hyped round there is today it matches a 260 Rem which I competed with in High Power Silhouette for many years the 6.5 does have good bullet choices which helps it over come a modest velocity of around 2750fps out of most rifles. Plenty of rifles are chambered in the 6.5cm so that is a plus and plenty of choices on loaded ammo. The real down side to the 260 Rem 6.5CM and others in that velocity class lack the velocity and the accuracy to even begin to be competitive as a 1,000 yard benchrest round on paper where the goal is to shoot the smallest 10 shot group possible. The 6mm Dasher is the king of the 1,000 yard matches we average 90 shooters at our matches you won't find one 6.5CM on the firing line several guys have tried to make them competitive but quickly dropped them. But if just want to have fun the 6.5CM will work. I would caution again spending a lot of money on the rifle the optics are as important as the rifle. Thanks for the info. I've never heard of the Dasher, I should have mentioned that I do not reload so I would be relying on factory ammo. Not many options right now with the PRC and not sure if it will take off like the CM did. I'm not in a rush so I will keep researching. I bought a lightly used scope back in the summer that I hope will be good for this application, Sightron S111 6X24X50 target dot reticle. |
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Post by deadeye on Dec 27, 2020 20:31:17 GMT -5
you have purchased a very good scope// since you are not hand loading the CM is the way to go in 6.5 imo/if i were to Hand load i would go w/ PRC
either will work great for your intended adventure. allow barrel to not get hot for longer barrel life as in any application for longer barrel(throat) life.
now have fun!
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Post by elkman1310 on Dec 28, 2020 9:50:55 GMT -5
Since your not a reloader your best bet would be the 6.5CM because of the good quality ammo avaible. The Dasher is a very popular wildcat so far it is strictly a hand load deal. There are companies making Dasher brass fully formed with the 40deg shoulder Alpha brass and Peterson brass but you still need to load it.
The Sightron scope will do a good job for you they have excellent glass and tract well. So pick a rifle that fills your needs and go have some fun.
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Post by trekman on Jan 11, 2021 19:17:30 GMT -5
Since your not a reloader your best bet would be the 6.5CM because of the good quality ammo avaible. The Dasher is a very popular wildcat so far it is strictly a hand load deal. There are companies making Dasher brass fully formed with the 40deg shoulder Alpha brass and Peterson brass but you still need to load it. The Sightron scope will do a good job for you they have excellent glass and tract well. So pick a rifle that fills your needs and go have some fun. Appreciate all the feedback. Creedmor sounds like it's the way to go. Think I got it narrowed down to the Bergara B-14 HMR or the HMR pro. The B-14 has a 22 in barrel and the Pro has a 24 in, not sure how much of an advantage the extra 2 inches has in regards to velocity and accuracy ? |
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Post by uno on Jan 27, 2021 23:47:37 GMT -5
Hello my first post. I bought the Tikka t3x tac A1 in 6.5 creedmoor last year when I got started shooting steel and a previous response was right on lol it is addictive.
The guy that got me started shot my Tikka when I bought it and took it out the first time and he ended up buying one 3 days later lol. It's a nice gun.
Couple other buddies have started since then and couldn't swing the Tikka so got the Bagara hmr and not as polished as the Tikka it will shoot.
This was a good start for me but started looking into competing and found out what you have been told on here, you can ring that steel with the 6.5 but gonna need a little more gun for shooting groups at distance. I'm trying to figure out the best option as I'm not that old..70..but can't take that much recoil as my arthritis is getting worse.
Hello to everyone and good luck to you.
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Post by elkman1310 on Jan 28, 2021 10:33:33 GMT -5
For shooting steel just about anything works. You didn't say what type of competition you would like to get into. Here is the problem with 6.5 an 7mm calibers for benchrest competition at 1.000 yards they are not accurate enough to win matches especially when it comes to shooting 10 shot groups for record on paper. Shooting competing in F-Class the 6.5 and 7mm do win matches it is a totally different type of competition F-class spots your record shots 1,000 yard benchrest does not that is a really big difference.
The king of the hill in 1,000 yard benchrest is the 6mm Dasher second is the 300 WSM. It all comes down to the quality of the bullets 6mm has the best production and hand made custom bullets made and it really shows up on paper at 1,000 yards. Then the next is the outstanding accuracy of the 6mm Dasher case you have to be ontop of your reloading game with the Dasher but when you do things right it will reward you with record setting performance. I run (3) 6mm Dashers (2) 17 lb light guns and (1) Heavy that weighs 65 lbs they helped me win the Heavy gun championships this year at the Original 1,000 yard Benchrest Club in Pa.
I like and have used 6.5/284's for several years they were popular at our range for about five years and then started to die off pretty fast once the 6mm started to win. A good friend of mine asked me a important question just how much do you want to win. He said if you want to win matches build a 6mm Dasher if you just want to come to shoot stick with your 6.5/284 I have had several good 6.5/284's but never ever got one of them to shoot consistently under 6.00 for 10 shots at 1,000 yards no matter what I tried. I built my first Dasher and went into the 4.00 bracket with several groups going into the low 3.00 inch for 10 shoots So I have been all in on the 6mm Dasher ever since.
So what ever shooting competition you want try take a look at what the top shooters are using to win and work around those parameters. On our Original 1,000 yard Benchrest Club of Pa. we list the equipment each shooter is using in each relay its fairly accurate because sometimes guys show up with a trailer full of guns and my shoot something different then what the stats say.
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Post by trekman on Jan 29, 2021 15:50:02 GMT -5
Well I ended up getting a B-14 HMR from Cabela's. It has a 24in barrel, figured it should be adequate for plinking targets at that ranges I stated in my original post. Thanks for the help guys.
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