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Post by speedrackin on Dec 17, 2015 11:19:15 GMT -5
with all the hype on sub calibers where legal. what are the pros and cons of going below a 45 cal ......
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Post by schunter on Dec 17, 2015 11:56:16 GMT -5
When I was looking at having a 40 built the main con for me was bullet selection. If I was going to have a sub caliber built it would be a 375 because of the available bullets. There have been a few 416 built and they seem to be liked by the guys who have them. You also get into powder chambers with the sub calibers so the powder column is not so long. Not a have to but seems like most have.
I think one of the biggest pros is less recoil.
With that said I think the 45 will do all most of us will ever need... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 12:20:55 GMT -5
I just see the .40's as a smaller gun all around, maybe a good youth choice or for someone like me that isn't as young as some and can carry it around easier thru the woods. And it sounds interesting.
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Post by rojo23 on Dec 17, 2015 13:07:39 GMT -5
I have also looked at the sub-guns mainly for lighter bullets and less recoil in a tree stand. The .416, most of the bullets are heavier than the .45, and the .375 and not legal in VA to hunt with. Looks like the .40 is the best all around sub caliber out there. The bullet selection is less for the .40 than the .45, but I have seen some nice groups with the .40. For me instead of switching calibers I am having Jeff build me an Apex, which is a lighter gun and with the lighter charge will have a lot less recoil than my bolt gun. I will only be shooting around 60-150 yards, so bolt gun is not needed in the woods. I will just use it over the bean field which is 385 yards long.
I would think that the .375 has the best bullet selection out there. So if I were to go with a sub caliber it would be the .375.
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Post by hillbill on Dec 17, 2015 18:18:38 GMT -5
The 45 is just so easy to get to shoot, one powder can handle a large weight range of bullets and with excellent accuracy..
.40 bullets can be shot out of my .45 with good accuracy although with a sabot, a dedicated .40 gun? I just don't see it myself But each to his own. I know some are doing lighter weight guns in the .40 but keep in mind that you are pretty much limited to three bullets. If a .40 fits your bill then that's what you need..
.416? I have a barrel on my bench fitted to my Hombre gun but its a beast to shoot with the bullets I wanted to use, the 340 CE at high speed is a thumper, even with a brake. some day I will put it on a dedicated action and resume testing.. right now my .45 barrel on the Hombre just shoots too good to swap out..
.375? If its legal where you hunt I think its a great choice. One can load over the counter 250 ttsx and shoot without a brake and still get good accuracy and have all the range most would ever want. Im shooting 300 CE MTH bullets in mine with excellent results thus far, less expensive bullets than the MH bullets I shoot in the .45 and super consistent. I got 150 during the black Friday sale for 1.29 ea shipped. not bad for such a bullet. both the .416 and the .375 can do super long range stuff if one desires, the 300 CE @ 2837 from the muzzle is easily 1000+ capable, the numbers are just hard to believe from a front stuffer..
IMPORTANT: keep in mind that any of the sub calibers are very powder/bullet specific as they build pressure VERY fast, one MUST be very careful to match a given powder to the bullet weight. for instance: a 250 ttsx in the .375 uses a completely different burn rate than say a 300 grn bullet from the same barrel.
Quick load is a very valuable tool for unknown combos during load development, one could easily get in big trouble guessing at powders and charge weights. not a lot of info exists for the subs so proceed accordingly..
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Post by gar on Dec 17, 2015 19:20:07 GMT -5
Trying not to hijack, but with the sub cals. when talking the smaller diameters what is the relative difficulty in full forming versus the 45's. Also are the bullet's jacket thicknesses comparable to the MH or the BE? Wondering about obturation in the smaller cals.
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Post by hillbill on Dec 17, 2015 21:11:15 GMT -5
so far in my sub guns full form bullets are not a problem BUT one must anneal the solid copper bullets to get them through a normal press. An arbor press or a mega press must be used otherwise.
swelling an annealed all copper works well, bullets such as accubonds etc or unannealed coppers need to be sized pretty tight for good accuracy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 22:43:25 GMT -5
I have over 3000, 200sst's and I don't shoot saboted anymore , so I might get one to save my losses,lol...My daughter needs a sml ,she'll be happy.....
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Post by keith on Dec 18, 2015 6:52:03 GMT -5
My next gun will be a light .40 because my sub-10# .45 is pretty punchy and Steve's .40's shoot soft. Both are 300yds guns and that's all anyone really needs in a hunting gun, especially if you are mobile which is why I want an 8# gun.
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Post by speedrackin on Dec 18, 2015 7:20:27 GMT -5
Lot of good info hear .... gives one somethin to cinsider
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Post by rossman40 on Dec 18, 2015 10:03:26 GMT -5
When RB was around he was working on a sabot for a .40 to shoot .375 or .358 bullets. When he passed I thought that project went with him. Then a year or so ago someone told me Del at MMP was looking into reviving it. That would really up the interest in at least the .40.
A lot of states set a minimum of .38 or .40 for MLs just so guys would not use .36 cal squirrel rifles on deer. Dixie Gun Works came out with .38 and .40 cal rifles to get around this rule which resulted in some states raising the minimum. Then a lot of states just haven't kept up with the times. A modern inline .45 shooting even saboted with BP/BP subs can be a pretty good game getter, even going against elk, in the hands of a sensible hunter.
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