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Post by elkman1310 on Oct 5, 2020 15:09:47 GMT -5
Glad the shooting season is over. Now I can play with my fun guns. I removed my 300wsm barrel and put my .338 edge barrel back on today. I order some 275gr Cutting Edge bullets to test. I have my doubts on how well they will shoot. If they don't shoot better than my Hornady 285gr ELM or the 300gr SMK then it will be a one time try. with shipping and tax that $2.00 a pop for that bullet. I went with the 275gr MTH Single feed Max because I have a 1-9 twist barrel so this combo might work well and I am hoping I can push them to a safe 3050fps or even 3100 fps if possible since I can push the 285gr 3080fps.
There are a bunch of new .338 bullets on the market I couldn't get the Berger 300gr Elite Hunters to shoot at all so time will tell with the CE bullet.
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Post by dennis on Oct 5, 2020 16:31:45 GMT -5
Glad the shooting season is over. Now I can play with my fun guns. I removed my 300wsm barrel and put my .338 edge barrel back on today. I order some 275gr Cutting Edge bullets to test. I have my doubts on how well they will shoot. If they don't shoot better than my Hornady 285gr ELM or the 300gr SMK then it will be a one time try. with shipping and tax that $2.00 a pop for that bullet. I went with the 275gr MTH Single feed Max because I have a 1-9 twist barrel so this combo might work well and I am hoping I can push them to a safe 3050fps or even 3100 fps if possible since I can push the 285gr 3080fps.
There are a bunch of new .338 bullets on the market I couldn't get the Berger 300gr Elite Hunters to shoot at all so time will tell with the CE bullet. How did your last shoot go place/finish?
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Post by elkman1310 on Oct 5, 2020 16:57:51 GMT -5
Match #7 went well in light gun no mistakes on my part. Shot a 98 score and a 7.1 to win relay for score and then shot a 99 in the shoot off to win shoot off. Shot two different light guns both Dashers and both using the 105gr JLK bullets they are really working well. Match hurt new bad for light gun shooter of the year I had to qualify in 14 matches since I only had 9 shots on target that knocked me out of the running but no big deal my best friend took that spot. So now I can kid him that I left him win because I really had everyone beat by a 1/2 inch.
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Post by dennis on Oct 5, 2020 17:21:29 GMT -5
That is still outstanding to place 2nd. Great shooting for the season CONGRATS.
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Post by elkman1310 on Oct 7, 2020 17:34:41 GMT -5
Got the Cutting Edge 275 gr bullets today boy are they long. 1.877 I did a quick check on the AOL length of around 20 they are all exactly the same length. The Ogive is exactly the same and so is the seal tite band and every other thing I could measure. the weights were better than they advertise a low of 274.860grs to a high of 275.044grs. So I can honestly say there is nothing to check on these bullets just take them out of the box and load them.
The big question is can I make them shoot. I did shoot the 6.5 133gr single feed match bullet from my 6.5/284 and they shot very well but not better than what I was shooting so to save money I didn't shoot them in competition. So when the weather cools down I will do some testing with new missiles.
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Post by jims on Oct 7, 2020 17:45:21 GMT -5
tight tolerances
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Post by buckeye68 on Oct 7, 2020 21:53:15 GMT -5
Got the Cutting Edge 275 gr bullets today boy are they long. 1.877 I did a quick check on the AOL length of around 20 they are all exactly the same length. The Ogive is exactly the same and so is the seal tite band and every other thing I could measure. the weights were better than they advertise a low of 274.860grs to a high of 275.044grs. So I can honestly say there is nothing to check on these bullets just take them out of the box and load them. The big question is can I make them shoot. I did shoot the 6.5 133gr single feed match bullet from my 6.5/284 and they shot very well but not better than what I was shooting so to save money I didn't shoot them in competition. So when the weather cools down I will do some testing with new missiles. I’ll be waiting for your results
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Post by bkm on Oct 9, 2020 6:29:01 GMT -5
Just a FYI about the CE bullets. I shot them a few yrs ago in both a 30 and 338. They were like u said, very consistent and didn’t need sorting. I found them very easy to tune and they shot very good.
What I didn’t like about them was how they performed on game. The bullets i shot were 200 gr MTH IN THE 300 Ultra & 252 MTH IN THE 338 Edge
I never shot anything at super long range with the Ultra Mag ( 500 yds max) but the results were not impressive.
With the 338 Edge i killed a couple deer over 1000 yds. While i was able to recover most of the animals shot, the wound channels were less than desirable. Little hole in, little hole out.
I actually found one of the 252 MTH in the ground after it passed through the deer. The only damage to the bullet was the tip was bent slightly. It looked like u could’ve loaded it and shot it again.
After that I went back to lead core bullets.
Maybe u can push them faster so that the pedals will peel back and perform better but after my findings I just used them to punch holes in paper. They are a great bullet for that.
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Post by elkman1310 on Oct 9, 2020 16:00:38 GMT -5
That is always a major concern of just how well a bullet will perform at long distance on game and produce a clean kill. I have taken a lot of game with the 300gr SMK and have never had any problems with that bullet doing a really good job. A whitetail deer is really on the small side for that big bullet but it has been really effective. It really performs better on mule deer and especially elk.
The CE 275 is just a test to see how they shoot. They say they will open up down to 1600fps so depending what speed you start off at you may be limited to 1000 yards or less. The Hornady 285gr ELDM has just as good of a BC as the CE 275gr but there again its a target bullet but so is the 300gr SMK. One important thing to do on the 300gr SMK is to check the opening of the hollow point it really helps to make sure it is open and it doesn't hurt to drill them open a little more than factory.
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Post by bkm on Oct 10, 2020 7:53:40 GMT -5
I’ve never shot many animals over 1000 yds. Where I live in TN the terrain isn’t very long range friendly. U really have to work hard to even find a place to shoot that far much less see a deer.
My experience has been limited to say the least but so far I’ve not found a bullet that performs exceptionally well at elr.
With my Edge the muzzle velocity is 2800 - 2950 depending on the bullet weight. By the time the bullet passes the 1000 yd mark the velocity is slowing to the point that expansion is suffering.
I did purchase some CE Lazers with the polymer tips and larger hollow points but haven’t tested them yet at long range.
The SMK shoots pretty good for me. Might give it a try also. I had avoided it because it is slightly more critical to wind calls and i need all the help i can get in that area.
Keep us posted on ur findings and maybe others will chime in with their experiences.
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Post by elkman1310 on Oct 10, 2020 10:03:39 GMT -5
My son and grand kids live outside of Nashville to the south. I know TN. pretty well you right about not having good long range hunting compared to where I live in Pa. We have some great long range hunting spots in what we call the Grand Canyon area. The best long range hunting is definitely in the West. Col. and Wyoming and other states. High altitude really makes a big difference in how guns perform. 9500 to 10500 ft above sea level really is a game changer.
With 40 years of long range experience behind me and witness to well over a 100 kills with ranges from 700yards out to 1950 yrds we have not lost any game. Yes we have had some people but some poor hits on animals and the vast majority were not one shot kills especially once the range got beyond 1,000 yards. We have always recovered everything we shot. When conditions are perfect and you have a very accurate gun you can make a one shot kill but conditions in the winter time are rarely perfect in Pa. its cold and windy to the point that we don't shoot its simply not worth crippling a deer over that.
The golden rule is never long range hunt alone. You need at least one good spotter to call your shots the more the better. We usually have 4&6 guys that hunt in our group that way there are always 2&3 guys glassing for game at all times and you have enough people to help get the deer or bear out after you killed one.
Over the years we have used 6.5/300 7/300 30/378 and 338/378 338/416 IMP .338 Edge and 338/408 Chey-Tac The 338 caliber is superior to all the others when it comes to long range performance the .338 Edge is a good compromise and it duplicates my old .338/378 which I had great success. The .338 Edge cost less to shoot which is a bonus. I am pushing my Edge harder than you with a 31 inch barrel I am getting 3080fps with a 285gr Hornady bullet that makes it a very good combination. I am surprised the CE 252gr didn't do a better job for you I always run 9 twist barrels instead of 10 twist the seem to shoot better past 1000 yrds and they seem to kill better just my experience. We always run faster twists than standard.
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Post by bkm on Oct 10, 2020 11:57:25 GMT -5
I live 100 miles east of Nashville just on the western side of the Appalachian mountains. My elevation is 2250 and it’s starting to get pretty hilly.
There’s a cattle farmer here that has a few hundred acres that allows me to shoot on his farm. I have to shoot across ravines and such so wind and thermals are always a factor.
I agree with the need to have multiple spotters. We usually make it a social event and just have a good time.
We generally kill as many crows as we do deer. A crow at more than a thousand yds will earn u bragging rights.
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Post by elkman1310 on Oct 12, 2020 17:54:11 GMT -5
Well I got to test the 275gr CE bullets today. Used my standard load that shoots the best in this gun with 285gr ELDM and 300gr SMK.. I load 15 up with different seating depth from just touch the land to back off .030. No of them shot at all at 100 yards. This barrel hates Berger bullets and I can add these to the list. So I will stick to what works. I am not surprised that they didn't shoot better I have found that a barrel will either hammer with them or simply hate them if you don't try you will never know.
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Post by bkm on Oct 12, 2020 21:33:40 GMT -5
Try jumping them substantially before u completely give up on them. .080, .090 or more. I’ve loaded some all the way to the band before. It may not make any difference but since u already have them why not try it. Good luck.
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Post by elkman1310 on Oct 13, 2020 16:46:17 GMT -5
I went that route before with the Berger's and it was pretty ugly for my standards. The 275CE really opened up once I got past touching the lands. It looked like .025 off might shoot but when I went to .030 off they really had a mind of there own. What I did see was on new fired brass my max load of RL33 really didn't show any expansion on the case mainly because the bullet itself is undersize for the bore the sealing ring is what is actually over size without the sealing ring you would get blow bye on this bullet also a common problem with other solids.
Not saying the CE are bad bullets they are very well made but if your barrel doesn't like them I don't waste much time anymore trying to make them shoot since I already have two good bullet options for this gun.
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Post by bkm on Oct 13, 2020 21:10:28 GMT -5
Funny how some bbls are finicky and some will shoot most anything. I have a Broughton in 338 and the only thing I’ve found that it shoots well is CE Bullets.
It’s the only button bbl in my safe. Cut rifle bbls have performed far better for me.
I actually probably shoot muzzleloaders more now than centerfires
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