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Post by deadeer on Dec 9, 2019 14:30:28 GMT -5
A couple deer harvested with the pioneered original smokeless guns. These are plastic stocked Savage 10ml2's, 209 ignition, sporting PacNor 45's, Weaver Classic Extremes, shooting Barnes 195bx, Harvestor lite blue sabots, and basic loads of H4198, and N120. Still getting it done! Still no complaints! Lol   site for uploading pictures |
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Post by hillbill on Dec 9, 2019 15:23:45 GMT -5
They still kill just as dead as the new stuff!
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Post by dennis on Dec 9, 2019 15:29:42 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with that. Fine freezer fare.
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Post by deadeer on Dec 9, 2019 22:33:34 GMT -5
The buck was taken by a buddy. His gun was put together by Rick Bibby. He scored another doe tonight at 195yd.
Mine was self built. I got another decent antlerless tonight too. Same load as usual, 60gr N120, 195bx, 80yd shot, 20yd run. Post image isn't working so pic coming later.
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Post by joelmoney on Dec 9, 2019 22:35:12 GMT -5
Old reliable getting it done.
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Post by deadeer on Dec 10, 2019 9:35:59 GMT -5
 We aren't getting much daytime movement. On vacation this week, and that's about all the time I have, so beggars cant be choosy at this point. |
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Post by jims on Dec 10, 2019 9:40:04 GMT -5
For what they are used for they are still quite capable deer getters.
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Post by sew on Dec 10, 2019 16:17:56 GMT -5
With the upgradable ignition systems, greatly increased knowledge/understanding of the pressures involved and improved projectiles, these “old” rifles can provide more now than then. I do think the 209 will still work well, just with more powder.
A primary limitation for many is the 22 twist barrel commonly used on the 45 PacNors. The 16 twist of the PacNor 40 shouldn’t present a problem with any bullets likely used in these screw on barrels. I plan on testing the 253g And 225 Pittmans out of the 40 this weekend or early next week. The 253 (closeout) Pittmans, annealed and knurled are a perfect fit for my 40 . I fully expect the 225 AccuMax, resized should do well out of the 40.
Concerning the 45, the 240g Fury 401(4005) should be good in the 45 PacNors.
72g H4198 shoots the 278 AccuMax at 2850, very accurately out of Richard’s gun. Hopefully, that’ll have enough energy to kill a deer.
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Post by hillbill on Dec 10, 2019 16:59:36 GMT -5
Very well it will!
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Post by sew on Dec 10, 2019 18:06:07 GMT -5
A point of history. When we were first considering the 45 barrels, there was concern that faster twists than 22” would strip the sabots. At the time, only the Knight light tan and the brown MMPs existed, that I know about. Not sure when the LBHSs came on the scene. If they were available then, many of us didn’t know about them.
Anyway, I was talked out of an 18 twist barrel. I regret that now. Similarly, I wish I’d gotten a 13 twist 40 rather than the 16 twist I got, but that was my own doing.
If I get sucked back into this smokeless shooting, other than just for deer season, and it looks like I will; I plan on a 13 ish twist, HIS light hunting rifle. All depends on how my current 40 will do with some serious bullets and experimentation.
Any load recommendations for 40 will be very appreciated by me, and at least one other who is watching to see how it goes.
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Post by deadeer on Dec 10, 2019 21:13:04 GMT -5
Unfortunately, hp rifles were legalized in IN a few years ago. I jumped all over it because it was a new experience. Prior was these smokeless mz's, and prior to that was single shot pistols in hp rifle calibers (legal in IN). I have rolled with the times to try and keep up with my best chance or odds of accuracy, trajectory, just plain getting deer the best way I can.
So I have gotten away from the smokeless scene a little, since new interests peaked. Now all I can say is, I have never felt handicapped one ounce with my mz's! Also, if I could only hunt with one gun all season, I wouldnt mind having one in my hands. I think about it all the time selling off a bunch of stuff and having one or two good guns built.
Was watching a field tonight with 17 deer in front of me at 351yds, and no way to get to them. My Rem700ml will do it, but I had the Savage with sabots. Aaarrrggghhhh!
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Post by jims on Dec 10, 2019 22:28:18 GMT -5
My daughters and I generally still shoot our modified Savage MLIIs during the Ohio deer season even in the rifle/shotgun season. As you said I never felt handicapped by them, in fact they were used as they provided more accuracy and range back when than my TarHunt 12 shotgun and other slugs guns. Have gotten a couple of 45-70s now but for use only around 100 yards.
Not sure if I will go with the .350 Legend, it would only offer less recoil for my daughters but they handle the heavy built Savages well and they fit them well so they still prefer them.
The reason in part for the 45-70 is they can load them easier, they only get to hunt about 1 day a year and really no practice and are hesitant about the SML loading. I still do that for them and stay with them. They are good shots, my one daughter has gotten 15 deer or so over the last 10 seasons with never a lost deer. All but one with the Sav ML in .45 with a Brux barrel.
As said they work quite well. If I was starting anew with a SML it would be one of the newer designs but I do not feel handicapped at the ranges shot so I can still use the pea shooters you mention and with confidence. Good to see some are still around.
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Post by sew on Dec 13, 2019 11:49:37 GMT -5
If Arkansas were to open up straight walled, single shot rifles, for this part of the state, it would not affect me. Probably, at this stage in my life, even CF wouldn’t have much of an effect on my thinking. Maybe the 1:8 twist 22-250 AK IMP/ 80g bullets or possibly 75 Amax. Which I have. The 80g Starkes (I’m down to only 2,000) , Berger’s and 75 Amax have all proven to be deadly on deer. Possibly, impact velocities of >3,000’/sec combined with the fast spin might be a factor.
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