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Post by elkman1310 on Jul 8, 2019 17:01:20 GMT -5
I burnt through 100 of the 110gr 6mm and 6.5 153gr. I was able to get the 110gr bullets to shoot good 6&7 shot groups out of 10 but always some crazy shots going way out that simply should not be for bullets that really do check out well and coming straight of the press. I am only using a 7.75 twist which should be fast enough especially at 3000 fps but it appears they would work better in a 7.5 twist or faster the 6.5 153gr never did group an I used these in my 7 twist barrel so twist rate certainly was not a factor but most of my results were ugly its one thing to shoot at 16 inch steel plates at 1,000 yards and if you hit the plate anywhere its all good in the benchrest world it's smallest group an highest score that wins the money this bullets are way over priced I expect once word gets around that they don't live up to there hype the price will come down.
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Post by gd357 on Jul 9, 2019 3:43:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the heads-up. Sorry to hear you couldn't get them to shoot.
For the money, one should expect better...
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Post by elkman1310 on Jul 9, 2019 15:43:37 GMT -5
I talked to another fellow shooter today they went through 300 of the 110gr bullets out of 3 different guns at different speeds all barrels had 7.5 twists the best they could get was 10 inches like he said they check out really gun at the loading bench but not at the shooting bench Hornady is not alone with this problem Sierra ran a batch of 107gr SMK that checked out beautiful but shot terrible possibly a air space or void in the core an jacket.
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Post by elkman1310 on Jul 9, 2019 18:50:56 GMT -5
I contacted Hornady Tec dept and told them my results I had with there new A-Tip bullets. I didn't think that I would get a quick response I was wrong it didn't take more than a hour and they got back to me and wanted to know the lot numbers of the bullets they said these bullet should shoot 5 inch or less at 1000 yards in a good gun and good conditions well I have several good guns an lately conditions have been real good this morning I shot my 6mm Dasher with 103gr Vapor Trail bullets and shot to 5 inch 10 shot groups back to back without breaking a sweet. So It's in Hornady's hands now if you don't tell them that there is a problem they won't now because they really don't test at 1000 yards like we do.
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Post by buckeye68 on Jul 9, 2019 20:37:47 GMT -5
I like the way you think.
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Post by gd357 on Jul 10, 2019 2:18:09 GMT -5
As in all things, bullet manufacturing is prone to "gremlins" within the process. Still a bummer to find an issue on the range.
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Post by elkman1310 on Jul 11, 2019 19:28:33 GMT -5
Well Hornady got back to me on one of the questions I asked about why they made the 6mm 110gr so small in diameter .2428 instead of .2431 or .2432 it all comes down to money the guy tried to tell me that the carbide dies are so expensive which they do make in house that they make them undersize so that they can run 1,000,000 bullets through them before they wear out so if you buy early production runs of this bullet your shit out of luck till the dies wear to the point that they make a .2431 diameter bullet' I simply told the guy that was a really bad idea you start off with the correct size and when it stops producing bullets that size you scrap the die. They want to charge a crazy amount of money for a product that doesn't live up to the hype.
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Post by smokelessk on Jul 13, 2019 15:06:25 GMT -5
So they have to "wear in" their dies before the bullets are produced in the correct diameter? Agreed elkman, that is not a good practice to follow. So what was their response to your rebuttal of their die operating procedure?
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Post by elkman1310 on Jul 13, 2019 19:58:06 GMT -5
They cut me off no more replies go figure. Once the word gets around about these bullets they won't have to worry about wearing them out. All bullet makes do try an get the most out of a set of dies but Sierra and Berger start off at the best diameter. Sierra actually holds tighter tolerances than Berger I have seen some really fat Berger's and they usually don't shoot good.
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Post by smokelessk on Jul 14, 2019 5:55:22 GMT -5
That's interesting. I never really gave it a thought as to how a manufacturer holds specs on their dies. An absolute relevant factor though in the performance of their bullets. Buy a box now, then get the same bullet 5 years from now and they aren't going to be the same as the first ones. At least the odds would be slim I would think.
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Post by dannoboone on Jul 15, 2019 12:42:33 GMT -5
That's interesting. I never really gave it a thought as to how a manufacturer holds specs on their dies. An absolute relevant factor though in the performance of their bullets. Buy a box now, then get the same bullet 5 years from now and they aren't going to be the same as the first ones. At least the odds would be slim I would think. Just a novice shooter here. I just like to compete with myself.  That may be only twice a year with any given rifle. Years ago, I got a two or three boxes of Hornady 105gr A-max for my .243 Sav 12VLP. They shot beyond my wildest dreams with the occasional 1/4" 5-shot 100yd groups. When the first order was depleted, I got a couple hundred more.......instant 1 1/2" groups, occasionally getting MOA. Scope change made no difference. Have been scratching my head ever since. Now I may know why.  |
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