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Post by keith on Oct 22, 2015 17:15:04 GMT -5
Showed up today:  It will be my new hunting rifle scope (had to measure for ring height ):  I'll run it through the runner when I get home in a few weeks but I leave tomorrow. It's first big test will be on an AR15 at Mammoth. |
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Post by deadeye on Oct 22, 2015 19:05:11 GMT -5
I have grown to really like the .1 mil click system especially since scope manufacturers are realizing moa dialing & reticle in mils are more confusing to some!
let us know what you think after running that scope through all the test! |
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Post by schunter on Oct 26, 2015 11:01:40 GMT -5
Looks really sharp on that rig. Cant wait for your report...
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Post by keith on Nov 23, 2015 17:49:24 GMT -5
Talking to Bill Travis on the phone today made me remember I need to test this thing out so that I can get the .308 and 6.5 onto the 1000m KD range without swapping over scopes in a couple of weeks. Mounted it up on the .308 today and will get it tested out this week when we take a long weekend for Thanksgiving:  |
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Post by keith on Dec 6, 2015 16:12:44 GMT -5
I took it out last weekend with my SML. I shot one round after boresight and it was 1 MRAD low, shot 2 more then came up .1 and right .1, shot two then said good enough:  I took it home and ran it through the full range of adjustment in all four directions. I went back to the range today and shot a cold bore round, one to confirm my normal lack of shift, then dialed up 10MRAD then back down and shot RTZ:  I then ran a Tall Target Test like I did with my HDMR when I got it and replaced my Nightforce BEAST as my PRS optic. It wasn't quite as good as my HDMR but it was very good:  |
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Post by deadeye on Dec 7, 2015 8:57:07 GMT -5
that scope earns the label "tactical hunter".....great test & results!
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Post by rojo23 on Dec 7, 2015 18:32:22 GMT -5
Keith, on your tall test do you aim at the orange dot and just dial the scope up? I guess you are just basically checking to see how the rifles impact changes with the dialing up and down of the scope?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 19:57:09 GMT -5
Keith,
What did this scope cost you, if you don't mind me asking?
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Post by keith on Dec 7, 2015 20:04:54 GMT -5
Keith, on your tall test do you aim at the orange dot and just dial the scope up? I guess you are just basically checking to see how the rifles impact changes with the dialing up and down of the scope? Yes, I aim at the orange dot and dial up. Then I dial down and check return to zero (this one put them back in the same hole). Static dialing will do most of the same thing but I have seen scopes get weird with recoil and real use so I shoot to verify with an extremely precise gun then torture test then on the SML. |
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Post by keith on Dec 7, 2015 20:05:44 GMT -5
Keith, What did this scope cost you, if you don't mind me asking? I picked this one up on gunbroker.com for $875 which was a steal. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 20:11:49 GMT -5
Keith, What did this scope cost you, if you don't mind me asking? I picked this one up on gunbroker.com for $875 which was a steal. Awesome |
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Post by Hank on Dec 7, 2015 20:58:22 GMT -5
Looks like the scope is working quite well
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Post by beans on Dec 7, 2015 21:53:53 GMT -5
Now that is a real test right there Keith! Looks like a real performer and something to "write home about". Looks like it does exactly what you would want. I used to love "square testing" my leupolds. They are usually right on the money for adjustments and on different magnifications. However, without testing the scopes like you just did....the personal confidence isn't there. AND...you have to do the test with a proven rifle and load that will shoot!
Did you test for windage or just elevation? That's just awesome!
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Post by keith on Dec 7, 2015 22:05:54 GMT -5
I box test windage for RTZ but I don't dial wind. I use the reticle for wind and I test it the same way; haven't done it yet though.
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Post by beans on Dec 7, 2015 22:23:01 GMT -5
If it tracks that well vertically, good chance the windage will also be good. If I were testing I would be doing it on a calm day....of course! (preaching to the chior) Nice report! Back when I was in my mid-twenties (25 years ago) Bushnell was a piece of garbage. I still have the memories of several scopes that let me down as an "average" shooter who tried to get the most for their $$. It only took many years of disappointment to switch to leupolds and be done with the guessing games. Looks like they have engineered their way out of the crap they used to build!!
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Post by keith on Dec 8, 2015 7:56:07 GMT -5
Yeah, 15 years ago when I sold and worked on guns for a living Bushnell was a budget optic. Bausch & Lomb Elites were the equivalent of Leupold Various X-II and Vari X-III scopes. I was a diehard Leupold fan back then until Nightforce hit the scene.
I still think Leupold makes decent sport optics but I think their tactical line is antiquated and suffers some design flaws. Nightforce still makes great optics and I'll buy more but I decided to try Bushnell after seeing so many show up in matches.
The only Bushnell I use is the Elite Tactical line. They are a different animal than the rest: LRHS, DMR, HDMR, ERS, XRS. The rest are good but still budget optics and don't track like missiles.
For solid optics that perform (in ascending order of cost) there are three to buy: SWFA SS, Bushnell Elite Tactical, and Nightforce.
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Post by beans on Dec 8, 2015 20:05:24 GMT -5
Being a hunter and not a "tactical" guy, I rely on a flat shooter and maximize MPBR with whatever I am shooting. Most field shots from a tree stand, off a sick, limits my ability to snipe with the precision that can be had by a shooting house, sand bags, chairs and what not. So....a good leupy does just fine by me for 300 yds and under and a flat shooter. Point and shoot.
Watching you do this testing though, that is nice to know that the calibration is dead nuts. Very nice! Have you tried the scope at different magnifications to see if there is any issues there? One thing I remember is dialing the old bushnel's (pronghorn 3 x 9) at $30 per scope and seeing radical POI changes whe you messed with switching powers. Granted, these scopes sucked and it was many many years ago.
I guess if you are only shooting long range you wouldn't care about the lower power setting. I know that when I carry any gun hunting, I set at the lowest power in case I am surprised by a close encounter. Can always change things if something is out there a ways. The leupolds I have found that they hold a perfect POI at all power ranges in a variable.
Still, that test of yours for vertical is very very nice to see.
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Post by keith on Dec 9, 2015 6:20:19 GMT -5
I'm not slamming Leupold sport optics. Their fixed 3x, fixed 6x, the 2.5-8x36 and 3.5-10x40 are some of my favorite optics. I just mentioned the other three for reliable LR work. I am just not a fan of the Leupold Tactical line.
I haven't run this scope through the full power range but POI shifts are less likely in FFP optics. I do most of my shooting between 6x and 12x and with my HDMR I get no shift.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 6:39:02 GMT -5
You like those FFP types don't ya??
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Post by keith on Dec 9, 2015 11:15:41 GMT -5
Yes, I do. I know a lot of hunters don't for sundry reasons. I personally find all those arguments to be invalid if you pick the right FFP optic. The NF BEAST I had was an awesome optic in a lot of ways but heavy and overly engineered; it also had a zero shift across magnification. It wasn't perfect for matches or hunting. A Nightforce F1 ATACR 5-25x or Bushnell HDMR is probably not a perfect hunting optic but it will get the job done in a shoot house and using illumination (Nightforce) if you need it. Both are smash-mouth tactical optics. The LRHS is pretty close to a perfect hunting optic and while a little chunky so is the ATACR 4-16x. The Vortex 2.5-10x32 FFP is probably fine too but I've not used it.
One can make a case for SFP scopes pretty easily too. Most guys do not really need what an FFP offers. Any quality SFP will make a decent hunting scope that is used with a MPBR zero. Where they aren't great is when you try to force them to be LR optics. Excpetion to the rule: Nightforce 2.5-10x32mm and they are SFP because there is no need for FFP in that optic; that is a truly rock-star optic that is nearly parallax free.
I understand both optics and can switch hit if the optic is chosen correctly. Right tool for the job, that's the key.
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