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Post by codyquillen82 on Mar 13, 2018 20:43:52 GMT -5
Has anybody ever shot sabot bullets through a muzzle brake
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Post by encore50a on Mar 13, 2018 20:46:32 GMT -5
I've sent almost 2,000 rounds through a radial brake with sabots.
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Post by elkman1310 on Mar 14, 2018 6:49:19 GMT -5
You were very lucky to send any through a muzzle brake. A radial brake with small holes and a tight bore so the sabot pedals cannot start to open up is the key. I experimented with a 50 cal and a brake and then with just porting the barrel. The Sabots would not shoot in either combination until I used a sub base under the sabot then they shot ok. I finally gave up on that deal. I did shoot 300gr Hornady 500SW bullets in this barrel with no sabot with excellent accuracy. The bullets only required a slight knurl to give a nice fit. You might want to give that a try.
Do yourself a favor and go to a 45 Caliber with a muzzle brake you will not be sorry!
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Post by jims on Mar 14, 2018 8:28:23 GMT -5
I have done it on a rebarreled Ruger No. 1 with a radial brake. In this case it actually worked OK but when I have time I will consider sabotless. I have another .45 with a radial brake but it is removable so I do that if I want to shoot with sabots.
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Post by codyquillen82 on Mar 14, 2018 20:07:58 GMT -5
My gun is 45 caliber I shoot sabotless I have some 40 caliber sst's that I was just going to burn up and I have never seen anybody shoot sabots through a muzzle brake the idea didn't seem right to me but you guys have lot more knowledge than I do thanks for your input I believe I will just shoot them in something else
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Post by Hank on Mar 14, 2018 20:26:27 GMT -5
It all depends on how the brake is cut on the inside. If it is a smooth bore of the same diameter and small exhaust ports you might get by shooting them through the brake. If the brake has a series of counter bores or just one deep counter bore then you will most likely blow the brake off the end of your barre. If you are wanting to shoot these 40 caliber bullets from this gun, you could remove your brake and put on a thread protector and shoot them all day.
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Post by Kyle on Mar 14, 2018 20:48:22 GMT -5
I don't recommend shooting saboted bullets through a muzzle brake.
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Post by Richard on Mar 14, 2018 21:07:57 GMT -5
Yes, I have! And posted results either here or on Doug's. Its been some time. My Harrell's radial brake was bored out to .485". What I found was the accuracy was decent...........but not as good as sabot less. I think I shot the 200 gr. .40 SST's vs. the 200 gr. .452 XTP's. This was done when I was transitioning from sabots to sabot less with a .45 cal. Brux barrel. Someone had told me that I needed to open up the brake a little more if I wanted to shoot sabots. I would have to do a lot of looking to find my results but accuracy was definitely deer good to probably 200 yards..........this is just off the top of my head!.............Maybe groups around 1.5" at 100 yards vs. under an inch sabot less. Long before we started getting into bench rest accuracy! 
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Post by doug136 on Mar 15, 2018 5:19:27 GMT -5
I've sent almost 2,000 rounds through a radial brake with sabots. Not sure what the difference is but I've seen some groups this guy has shot with a original Ultimate. .50 cal with radial brake . Pretty impressive
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Post by encore50a on Mar 15, 2018 7:01:58 GMT -5
Ultimate Firearms Inc., BP Xpress 50cal., 300gr Hornady SST, with 3-T7M pellets.......... All shot through a radial brake using sabots (H5045LB). Full rest and rear bag used.  My very first ever attempt at 500yds. Target was witnessed and signed...... Identical load as above, shot through a brake using sabots. Front rest and rear bag used.  After just over a year of not shooting for medical reasons, I remounted the scope and was able to send a few rounds to re-zero it at 100yds. An explanation is due for this target. First 3 rounds, upper right, then while making scope adjustments, the dog suddenly showed up and broke my concentration and I over adjusted. I decided to just walk it to zero and set the zero stop. This target was shot with 3-50/50 pellets, 300gr Hornady SST, Harvester H5045LB sabot through the radial brake. Front rest and rear bag used. 
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Post by floyd on Mar 15, 2018 7:26:48 GMT -5
Very impressive shooting with sabots. It is impressive even for smokeless and sabotless. What scope are you using?
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Post by encore50a on Mar 15, 2018 8:00:19 GMT -5
Very impressive shooting with sabots. It is impressive even for smokeless and sabotless. What scope are you using? Both long range targets were shot with a Leupold VX6 3-18x50, which wouldn't hold up to the rifle's recoil and after it was repaired twice, Leupold purchased the scope back. It now has a Nightforce NXS 5.5-22x50, which is what the bottom target was shot with at 100yds. Due to a bad knee injury and surgery, along with being laid up for over a year, I've been unable to shoot the Nightforce at the club's range at distance. Spring time here makes it impossible to get on the club's 600yd range until the frost is gone and the road dries. Doug seen the rifle shoot a couple years back at a Friendship match, where it was one of only three rifles that knocked down all steel targets at 200m and 300m. That again was with the Leupold.
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Post by Hank on Mar 15, 2018 8:01:22 GMT -5
I've sent almost 2,000 rounds through a radial brake with sabots. Not sure what the difference is but I've seen some groups this guy has shot with a original Ultimate. .50 cal with radial brake . Pretty impressive Doug. I all depends on what kind of bore you have in the brake.
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Post by encore50a on Mar 15, 2018 8:25:21 GMT -5
Of course my rifle is a .50, but the brake is bored at .510" 
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Post by elkman1310 on Mar 15, 2018 10:03:41 GMT -5
That is very impressive results for a sabot gun to be sure. Like I said in my testing the brake has to be bored close to the same diameter of you barrel for it to work. The other things that is see is your shooting pellets not smokeless powder charges that is a big factor right there. your running way lower velocities than I was. All my tested were done with smokeless powder. Hey this combination is working for you so stick with it. I am sure Hank would be glad to put a 45 Cal barrel on for you when you decide to join the smokeless gang.
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Post by encore50a on Mar 15, 2018 10:25:05 GMT -5
That is very impressive results for a sabot gun to be sure. Like I said in my testing the brake has to be bored close to the same diameter of you barrel for it to work. The other things that is see is your shooting pellets not smokeless powder charges that is a big factor right there. your running way lower velocities than I was. All my tested were done with smokeless powder. Hey this combination is working for you so stick with it. I am sure Hank would be glad to put a 45 Cal barrel on for you when you decide to join the smokeless gang. Thank you and yes sir, I'm sending them at 2,280fps. If I gas cut another BP, there's no doubt in my mind I'll ask Hank to re-barrel it and fix that issue for good. I've worked really hard, much harder than I should ever have to, to get this rifle shooting well. When the last BP was installed, I had the barrel set back so there wasn't enough head space. Then trimmed all my brass to 1.190" and set a reamer to make the brass to fit tight when closing the bolt. I don't intend to manually go through that process again.
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Post by elkman1310 on Mar 15, 2018 16:07:00 GMT -5
I can believe that 100% about head spacing cases there are no two the same. Once you go to a smokeless 45 conversion you will be gaining a lot of performance right off the bat. Velocity will be a big increase easily running 300gr bullets 2750fps to 2850fps depending on powder you go with. Hardly any cleaning of barrels and breech plugs and I have not seen a 45Caliber gun that I have built or Jeff not shoot extremely well right from the start. The sooner you can make the switch the better you will be in the long run. 2280fps with a 300gr SST is not the ideal bullet to shoot 500 yards. I have shot them out to 600 yards and they do shoot well but they really loose velocity fast beyond 300yards. A 300gr Pittman Aeromax and 2800fps is flat out awesome.
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