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Post by elkman1310 on Oct 28, 2017 15:16:42 GMT -5
A friend of mine buys Nosler rifles and rarely shoots them. He bought a 28Nosler long range . Very nice looking rifle and handles well. To get some brass you might as well buy a box of factory brass loaded with the 160 accubond they will shoot decent. Nosler claims 3300 fps I got 3265 out of a brand new barrel once the barrel is broke in it might go 3300fps. The empty brass from Nosler will set you $75.00 for 25 cases and a box of 20 loaded are the same so just buy loaded ammo.
The gun shots under one inch at 100yards. the barrel heats up very fast and you better have very good hearing protection on when you shoot this gun. 90grs of powder and a muzzle brake is loud. The muzzle brake does a great job of taming recoil the gun is actually pleasant to shoot.
Here is the big draw back you have a max COAL length of 3.340" that totally rules out using Berger Vld bullets or any other bullet with a long thin ogive and plan on loading them in the magazine they would work.. Also the throat is long so the bullets are jumping .160 some are over .200
Today I loaded up some Berger 168gr VLD also 168gr SMK and 162gr Amax all with the bullets out to touch the lands. These were strictly for single shot use. I used 90grs of RL33 the Bergers shot the best then the Sierra and then the Hornady they will probably all shot it would just require playing with one bullet. 90grs of RL33 gave a velocity of 3220fps with the 168gr bullets no signs of any pressure I believe RL25 will show better results.
The 28 Nosler is just like the 7mm Ultra a 26" barrel is not long enough to get the full potential of the is round. I have had 7 Rem mags 7mm STW and 7/300 WHBY the last to had 30" barrels and turned up more velocity with 10grs less powder.
For all around hunting a straight 7mm mag is hard to beat. |
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Post by 68hunter on Oct 29, 2017 7:29:53 GMT -5
Good report Carl.
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Post by gd357 on Oct 30, 2017 0:18:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the honest findings. I've been considering a build for a while on an old bench gun currently chambered in 7x300 Ashurst Mag (improved 7mm STW). The barrel has been shot out, and it needs a new one. Was considering something along the Nosler line. May have to go to the old reliable 7 mag instead. Like you say, the 7 mag is a tough round to beat... I love mine. I'm sure barrel life would be dramatically improved. LOL
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Post by elkman1310 on Nov 3, 2017 19:06:25 GMT -5
Well today was my last test with the Nosler. I spent a solid week trying everything I new and this gun will not shoot 3 shoots under 1" with any repeatability. two together and then throws a shot and when the barrel gets hot which is right away it is a shot gun. My Buddy called Nosler and they said send it back they also gave the standard line that they never heard of one that wouldn't shoot Yeah right there are other people posting about all the problems with the brass and poor accuracy even in a custom build and the velocity is not anywhere near 3,300 fps.
My standard 7mm Rem mag 26" barrel will flat out shot this Nosler. I have had a 7/300 whby since 1976 same Hart barrel 30" with a lot of rounds through it but it still shoots really well and I have a 7MM STW heavy bench gun with a 36' Krieger barrel now that baby turns up the speed with accuracy to back it up with 180gr Bergers and the new 195 Berger EOL. This gun has a 1-8 twist so it shoots the 195gr really well. They clock out at 3200fps talk about a flat shooting gun.
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Post by sagittarius on Nov 9, 2017 9:38:35 GMT -5
I have hunted with a Winchester Model 70 in 7mm mag for years and love it.
Much prefer the Winchester's claw extractor to the 700's tiny weak one.
Can't believe the 700 has become so popular with that extractor !
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Post by Richard on Nov 27, 2017 16:49:39 GMT -5
For what they are, (the Rem. 700) they work really well.
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Post by elkman1310 on Nov 27, 2017 22:27:09 GMT -5
The claw extractor is nice for a hunting rifle. But for a target rifle it is not the hot setup. Also the Win action is a springy action compared to the round Rem 700 action. There have been many across the cross rifles built with Win. Actions and have won matches but they are the minority in the benchrest world.
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Post by kai on Dec 11, 2017 0:41:03 GMT -5
I'm going to build a custom 28 Nosler for long range elk hunting.
It will need to hold longer cartridges loaded to 3.730 COAL with the new Berger EOL 195 grain bullets.
I can't find any factory guns that come with the 8 twist barrel required for the 195 Berger so it will be a custom barrel and action to accommodate the longer cartridges.
A 26 inch barrel should get 3,150 MV with the COAL at 3.730.
I'm probably going to use a Proof Research carbon barrel to pull the heat out of the barrel and a Kilbly Tactical Atlas action.
Now I need to figure out if I want to use a hinged bottom metal or a detachable magazine. Also deciding on the best stock for long range hunting.
As elkman said, they do shoot really flat. Even more important to me, they have less wind drift than almost anything and with less recoil than the larger magnums.
Elkman, What do you think an ideal weight would be for a 28 Nosler long range hunting gun with a scope?
I'm looking for a good balance between long range accuracy with the practicality of a gun that I'll be carrying a bit.
The SHOT show is coming up in a few weeks so I'll go to Vegas see what components I can find... could be a very costly shopping trip!!!
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Post by elkman1310 on Dec 14, 2017 13:24:23 GMT -5
If your going to build a custom 28 Nosler don't worry about using a mag. Long range shooting is a one shot at a time deal. I would go with a longer barrel than 26" especially if you want to shoot the Berger 195EOL. You will need to throat your chamber way out of the long 195gr bullet if you don't you won't be able to push it fast enough to benefit from its higher BC or the 180gr VLD simple math.
I have used the 180gr VLD for years in my 7 MM STW long range bench gun which has a 36" long barrel It is not intended to be carried very far just from the truck to the heavy steel shooting bench. I switched over to the 195gr EOL last year because my barrel is a 1-8 twist it does shoot this bullet very well. This chamber is throated long for these bullets I am using 90grs of WC872 surplus powder with the 195gr that gives me 3280fps out of this long barrel I have shot the gun out to 1400yrds here in Pa. and it is the flattest shooting long range combo I have used and I have had them all.
The 28 Nosler should make a excellent long range gun as long as you throat it out far enough to get enough slow burning powder in the case. Don't worry about COAL your after accuracy and velocity using a clip will only hinder you. It only takes a second to eject the shell and drop another one in and chamber it we have never used anything but a single shot action for this type of hunting. A good carry gun in this caliber should weigh 12lbs with a heavy duty 30mm scope don't go with a light weight barrel or a carbon barrel put a Krieger on and be happy.
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Post by powderfinger on Dec 17, 2017 8:57:04 GMT -5
thanks carl. you are correct. the laws of physics can be argued but not changed. this long barrel business works great if you hunt from a stand. If you relish the dark timber, still hunting and mountain terrain it is not ! As far as published data, it has always been done in test barrels longer than those found the average hunting rifle. The overbore factor is a reality that will require longer and longer tubes to generate the claimed velocities. Reminds me of the short mag craze of the recent past...... |
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Post by kai on Dec 17, 2017 23:08:12 GMT -5
If your going to build a custom 28 Nosler don't worry about using a mag. Long range shooting is a one shot at a time deal. I would go with a longer barrel than 26" especially if you want to shoot the Berger 195EOL. You will need to throat your chamber way out of the long 195gr bullet if you don't you won't be able to push it fast enough to benefit from its higher BC or the 180gr VLD simple math. I have used the 180gr VLD for years in my 7 MM STW long range bench gun which has a 36" long barrel It is not intended to be carried very far just from the truck to the heavy steel shooting bench. I switched over to the 195gr EOL last year because my barrel is a 1-8 twist it does shoot this bullet very well. This chamber is throated long for these bullets I am using 90grs of WC872 surplus powder with the 195gr that gives me 3280fps out of this long barrel I have shot the gun out to 1400yrds here in Pa. and it is the flattest shooting long range combo I have used and I have had them all. The 28 Nosler should make a excellent long range gun as long as you throat it out far enough to get enough slow burning powder in the case. Don't worry about COAL your after accuracy and velocity using a clip will only hinder you. It only takes a second to eject the shell and drop another one in and chamber it we have never used anything but a single shot action for this type of hunting. A good carry gun in this caliber should weigh 12lbs with a heavy duty 30mm scope don't go with a light weight barrel or a carbon barrel put a Krieger on and be happy. Elkman..... Would you recommend cutting the 28 Nosler chamber in the barrel with SAMMI spec reamer, then using a separate throating reamer to extend the throat for the longer COAL with the 195 Berger? Or would it be better to have a custom chamber reamer made with the longer throat? How much jump should the bullet have if I load the 195 Berger to a COAL of 3.730 inch? Thanks! |
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Post by bac123 on Jan 12, 2019 13:07:21 GMT -5
I am in the process of building a 28 Nosler long range hunting rig and any advise you can share on reamers would be appreciated. I am planning to order one for the Berger 195gr bullet.
I plan to use a Defiance or Kelby action(still weighing out the options), Wyatt mag box that will allow up to 3.8 COAL.
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