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Post by sew on Jan 26, 2021 22:10:58 GMT -5
65-66g H4198 will get a 225g AccuMax into that range with a 209 ignition and a 26’ barrel. 10/53 VV110/H4198 will also. With a modern ignition - start lower. A wool wad is generally necessary as well as sizing the 402 g bullet for a good fit.
Being that I was just starting to test with the 225 Pittmans/45 when I got my 2nd 40 and sold my last 10ML2/45PN, I didn’t test any further. A load that really looked promising was 10/60 VV110/2015. Clean and in the 2725’/sec range.
These loads seemed safe but on the upper end for my gun but others?
I posted the previous posts because I think so many new shooters just aren’t aware that sabots are a viable alternative to boresized shooting.
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Post by jims on Jan 27, 2021 19:42:50 GMT -5
I know sabots are looked down on by some but then I think of some of the sabotted loads used in our tanks. They shoot pretty fast and accurately so they are not without some merit.
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Post by deadeer on Jan 28, 2021 14:23:14 GMT -5
60 grains of N120? in my 45cal McGowan barrel Thanks, Mike That's my go to load with 200sst or 195bx. Just cronographed in the fall again. Same 2800fps on the nose, super accurate, just awesome. |
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Post by sew on May 9, 2021 12:40:10 GMT -5
228 @ 2700+ in a sabot. 2 powders I really “liked” (now shoot a 40 and 2 other 40s) were H322 and better yet, 2015. In a 209 rifle, I’d often use 5-10g VV110 (5744 or discontinued 4759) as a duplex and start with about 55g of 322 or 2015 and slowly work up. Sized 225/228, very lightly knurled, HLBS, wool wad. 5/65+/- VV110/2015 was a favorite of mine. My favorite loads have always been 110/2015 for saboted 40/45 loads of 2700’/sec +.. Once again, safe in my rifle but maybe not in others.
VV powders are especially good in smokeless MLers. VV120 w/o a duplex is particularity good as a single powder. Certainly try it if it is available. It was disastrous, performance-wise, when used as a duplex with VV110. Used as single powders, both 110 and 120 have excellent temp/velocity stability; but together, ie 110/120 they were terrible. With a 250 XTP/sabot in a 10 ML2 (50 cal - stock) 10/60 at 80 degrees 2700’/sec, at 0-10 degrees <1900’/sec. In the great freeze of 2002, many of us experienced this phenomenon. That’s when 14/61 VV110/H322 replaced the 10/60 110/120.
Hope you didn’t hold your breath for this answer. Sorry for the delay.
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Post by jims on May 9, 2021 21:26:56 GMT -5
I would not have expected the VV110 and 120 combo to do that but one never knows.
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Post by dannoboone on May 10, 2021 11:43:38 GMT -5
I would not have expected the VV110 and 120 combo to do that but one never knows. For those of us who participate in an early muzzle loading season, it's still a great load. I don't do so well in 0-10 degrees either.  |
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Post by Sideshow on May 10, 2021 18:33:54 GMT -5
Did tbe vv110 / vv130 duplex do this too ?? Ie - the cold weather velocity drop ??
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Post by sew on May 10, 2021 22:27:05 GMT -5
I would not have expected the VV110 and 120 combo to do that but one never knows. No one did. Each powder alone 45 and 60 respectively was very temp insensitive; however, together, they were a disaster. That 10/60 load was used by so many of us and then the incredible cold came. Below 0F here in Arkansas for over a week and near 0 for about 2-3 weeks. This performance phenomenon was the talk of Doug’s board and a lot of us experienced it. |
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Post by sew on May 10, 2021 22:27:28 GMT -5
Did tbe vv110 / vv130 duplex do this too ?? Ie - the cold weather velocity drop ?? Don’t know. |
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Post by Sideshow on May 11, 2021 9:42:32 GMT -5
All of this info is fabulous !!! IF i ever get around to a LW 45 sml for my 700ml this is my planned course i do believe Saboted Primarily . Other states may have different regs than Michigan does i know , which is sml for rifle season and bh209 for muzzy season , sabots allowed in both . Complications !!! Its a big reason why im looking at a LW 45 too for other states that require one , even bore sized . I am a huntin fool !!! Has anybody had any success with a 250 pittman as well or the 240ot fury saboted ?? I have all 3 bullets ....the heavier ones i havent tried yet .
Thank you gentlemen !!!
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Post by joelmoney on May 11, 2021 15:36:06 GMT -5
I have stayed with 225’s because they will stabilize in my 1-20” twist.
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Post by Sideshow on May 11, 2021 15:46:27 GMT -5
I have stay with 225’s because they will stabilize in my 1-20” twist. i understand . Im considering a faster twist for that reason . Ive a buddy in Texas that shoots bh209 and Can stabilize them . Its capable of smokeless but thats what he uses for sabots . I dunno why.....yet . Its light like Sews new 40 . Carbon fiber barrel and all with a 1 in 14 but a 45 . He loves it !!! Shoots 275s accurately too full bore . I guess at that bullet weight/rifle weight full bore sml is an attention getter loaded hot . The brake is small !!! A sabot friendly brake IS offered by Harrels Precision in 45 and 50 caliber and helps some with full bore . I have one in a 50 . He planned it for sabots primarily as a spot and stalker . Hogs are taking a beating !!! |
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