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Post by doug136 on Jul 29, 2017 21:30:38 GMT -5
Very much welcome !
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Post by Richard on Jul 30, 2017 18:40:18 GMT -5
Just a note Doug..........we will all be shooting (the competition end of it) from one of the five benches like last April. That was established prior to the April shoot.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jul 30, 2017 19:30:02 GMT -5
We really need to change that Richard. There isnt any justifyable reason. Those benches dont fit everyone sizewise Where do we draw the line...benches...stools.... Drop
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jul 30, 2017 19:33:02 GMT -5
Somebodey established it true. But it wasnt discussed with all of other shooters. It was dropped in our lap at the shooters meeting. I thought the only rules were going to be Gun classes? This is just where I said this rule thing could go. PLEASE go over and read my last post in Jeffs thread on rulesand regulations for the Kentucky challenge. Because.I dont know how to drag it over here Respectfully Russell
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 20:13:11 GMT -5
Somebodey established it true. But it wasnt discussed with all of other shooters. It was dropped in our lap at the shooters meeting. I thought the only rules were going to be Gun classes? This is just where I said this rule thing could go. PLEASE go over and read my last post in Jeffs thread on rulesand regulations for the Kentucky challenge. Because.I dont know how to drag it over here Respectfully Russell Russell requested that I copy and paste a post he made in the 'Rules and regulations for the Kentucky Challenge'. I am merely complying with his request as he is on vacation and relegated to a smart phone. "And I quote... " But we will not change rules at the last minute or at any of the shoots. All rules will be talked about on this board before we change anything and will not take effect for 3 months after these set rules have been posted to this board. Thanks Jeff Hankins".
However this didt happen at the last spring shoot when use of personal benches were disallowed
Just pointing out
Respectfully
Russell"
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Post by Hank on Jul 30, 2017 20:23:45 GMT -5
As hard as it is to try and make everyone happy it just never works out 100% for everyone. Personally I think it is to everyone's advantage to shoot from a solid concrete bench, There is only room for about two more benches to be set up that would allow the shooter to see the 400 yard targets so we have to draw a line somewhere. This little competition we hold takes about 4 hours and the rest of the weekend is free open range to shoot what ever you want and from whatever position or bench you want to shoot from.
We will add this to the list of questions for Friday night, Question will be, Should we all shoot from the concrete benches?
Anyone else have any questions to talk about, now is the time to bring them up.
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Post by Hank on Jul 30, 2017 20:25:26 GMT -5
I just got home from the range, Mindy and I worked 7 hours there today mowing the grass, weed eating, spraying for weeds and checking for ground hornets. All looks good, it was a hot day, but with the ice tea and waters, we managed to get it done.
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Post by markb317 on Jul 30, 2017 22:45:38 GMT -5
I think I'm going to make it again. Can I hang my 200,300 and 400 yd targets on the board right behind my 100yd target so I only have to shoot 3 bullets ?
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Post by Hank on Jul 31, 2017 6:39:13 GMT -5
I think I'm going to make it again. Can I hang my 200,300 and 400 yd targets on the board right behind my 100yd target so I only have to shoot 3 bullets ? That's a good idea and would really help speed up things, but we will have to bring it up as a group and vote to see if it would be fair for the rest of us.
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Post by Richard on Jul 31, 2017 20:18:34 GMT -5
Here is the reason for shooting on the five provided benches as discussed before the last Challenge: It creates an equal format for all shooters. Since not everyone has their own bench and tent! In a registered match, everyone has to remove and then replace their equipment each time their relay shoots. Jeff just gave me the dimension (height) of the benches: #5 is 36" from ground to the top of the bench and #1 is 38"--------------I am told due to a slope in the terrain? Anyway, I have gotten a stool that will fit me with my lead sled (which puts me up even higher than a standard rest). At a number of different bench rest ranges, bench height can vary a couple of inches and that is why most shooters bring their adjustable stools? Also because not everyone is the same height?
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jul 31, 2017 21:09:01 GMT -5
I don't see an equal format when some have different types and different levels of quality of rests...bags...bi-pods and stools allowed. This is exactly the point I was afraid was going to rear its ugly head. WHERE will the line finally...if ever? Be drawn. Not being negative or argumentative about it. Just pointing out some items that have been discussed among those who wish not to be drug in to this. As far as benchrest match rules... I know nothing and doubtfully ever will. I think we are drifting away from what "I" thought the Kentucky challenge" direction was about. still respectfully Drop
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 0:37:08 GMT -5
First, I am neither promoting nor defending anyone. I know it is really none of my business since I won't be at the fall shoot due to the heat and my low tolerance of it since I got Lyme disease several years ago. But, I couldn't imagine any portable shooting bench could be anywhere near as stable as a concrete bench with legs set in concrete. I recently built a portable bench that I copied from a well known, high quality, expensive builder of them. It is quite sturdy, with a 2" angle iron frame and plywood top. It has 2" schedule 80 legs that attached to the frame in a special way that makes it very strong. That said, I would much prefer a concrete bench any day. I realize this is a "friendly competition" and if you've been part of those in other sports/hobbies, I'm sure you know that there is still the competitive spirit in the mix. It is just human nature.
Running the shoot in an orderly manner is a must. Having all shooters under the shed at the concrete benches has its' merits, especially for safety, where there are observers who I'm sure would tell you to remove your powder funnel before ejecting it down range. Once at the bench, what you use for equipment is your choice. Some have spent a great deal on equipment and others, like me, choose to be conservative for what ever reason. That is up to the individual. Jeff has stated that no certain calibers will be excluded and classes will be formed. IMO, the only reason for classes is to allow like rifles to be scored together and create more winners. It is more work in scoring, etc but Jeff is willing to go the distance to make as many as possible happy.
I rode dirtbikes seriously from 1977 til 2010 and It was my life. I dabbled in dirt track auto racing in the 90's where you go to the fights hoping to see a race (We won 2 championships), and drag racing on and off since the mid 80's. Competition is similar all over but I've never seen it as serious as I have in the hunting/fishing/shooting world.
It is a special thing, this hobby we share. We are in uncharted territory and continue to dig in deeper. Phil and I are working on implementing ideas that could enhance accuracy even further in all sml calibers. I want to continue putting a weekend in the spring on the vacation calendar at work so I can come to Kentucky for fellowship, friendly competition and good country eating with all of you.
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Post by Kyle on Aug 1, 2017 9:45:42 GMT -5
I just got home from the range, Mindy and I worked 7 hours there today mowing the grass, weed eating, spraying for weeds and checking for ground hornets. All looks good, it was a hot day, but with the ice tea and waters, we managed to get it done. Save some yellow jackets for me!
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Aug 1, 2017 11:25:47 GMT -5
Just a note Doug..........we will all be shooting (the competition end of it) from one of the five benches like last April. That was established prior to the April shoot. I dont remember any conversations concerning this topic amongst the shooters. Just the decision being announced at the meeting right before the shoot. Respectfully Russell
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Post by Hank on Aug 1, 2017 12:20:41 GMT -5
Just a note Doug..........we will all be shooting (the competition end of it) from one of the five benches like last April. That was established prior to the April shoot. I dont remember any conversations concerning this topic amongst the shooters. Just the decision being announced at the meeting right before the shoot. Respectfully Russell Russel. The subject was brought up to me and I agreed 100% that everyone participating in the match should shoot from the concrete benches, So I decided to make that the first rule for the Kentucky Challenge. I did not think we needed to have a meeting about this decision as everyone I asked was in agreement with me, SO, although it was not discussed with everyone, it was discussed. Yes it is nice to have you and a few others bring some extra benches to allow all attendees more bench time, but the competition must be shot from the concrete benches. You can opt out of the competition if you so choose and shoot from your bench all day but all competition shooters will be required to shoot from the same platform as everyone else. If I make an exception for you then I will have to make exceptions for everyone, then we are right back where you said "where will it end" The first Kentucky Challenge was for the BIG BUILDERS to bring their top gun and shoot against Hankins Custom Rifles and to shoot their best, put their money where their mouth was. Well none of the so called best builders showed up, just a bunch of Dougs board guys, Turned out we all had a great time and formed a lot of good friendships. Over the last three years and 7 Kentucky Challenge's later we have evolved, the way we do our shoots have became more organized as to help the smooth flow of things throughout the day. Rules and Regulations will have to be set as time goes buy, if not we would have "TOTAL CHAOS" at these shoots. Now after many emails to me about people being out gunned and that they would like to attend the shoot but they don't have a chance to be competitive,. This is the reason for the new class rules to be implemented. Should this make any difference in the way we run our match,,, absolutely not,,,, it just gives those guys that don't have a hot rod gun to come to the shoot and enjoy themselves.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Aug 1, 2017 12:43:53 GMT -5
Ok. Is this the end of the conversation then about it then? Russell
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Post by Hank on Aug 1, 2017 12:56:42 GMT -5
Ok. Is this the end of the conversation then about it then? Russell YES, this is the end of discussion.
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Post by markb317 on Aug 1, 2017 16:36:28 GMT -5
I was also involved in the discussion at the shoot and agreed with everyone shooting from the benches.
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Post by doug136 on Aug 2, 2017 17:26:39 GMT -5
I bought a drummers seat today at a pawn shop . Should be good to go !
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Post by Richard on Aug 2, 2017 19:12:56 GMT -5
This is how I came up with the correct height stool for benches 36 to 38". That is my portable shooting set up for PD's and ground hogs. I adjusted it to the height of Hank's benches and then found one of my stools that fit me.
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