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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 16:49:07 GMT -5
If I get a chance to come I'd just love to meet everyone. I don't shoot completion even though I want too my kids keep me pretty busy. If my opinion mattered I'd say that rules for a friendly shoot isn't really necessary.
The only thing I could see is
Break Open class
Hunter class
Bench Rest class
For me I am a Hunter and love to hunt. These Muzzleloaders are way more accurate than we can shoot. Let's just have fun. 😁
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Post by dennis on Jun 4, 2017 17:16:52 GMT -5
I have been to Ky. twice, once for the polar bear and the 2017 Spring challenge. Before I went to the polar bear shoot I talked to Hank and told him I didn't think I would bring a gun, because all I had was an apex conv. and a factory ml2, I said it was intimidating to bring these out where there are such beautiful, work of art custom rifles. I took them both but only shot one and Deadeye let me shoot his rifle. I had fun and met a few of the good people/friends of this board. I have never tried to shoot better than anyone else, but I still want to come to shoot just for fun and enjoy good fellowship.I only try to shoot the best I can. Whenever I get my ml2 back together I will get in the mix, Just because it's fun.
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Post by hammer on Jun 5, 2017 2:59:07 GMT -5
This is as far back as I could find on Doug's board about the original revised intent of the Kentucky challenge titled, "The Kentucky Challenge Revised" dated 1/30/14. I ask everyone to read what Jeff was trying to do after the realization that no other specialized custom spml builders had the guts to come to the initial Kentucky challenge and compete against the best and try to beat the best.Very well said Jeff.
Guys... I have gotten some positive feed back about the shoot I am having in August. I have also gotten a lot of questions concerning the lay out and the competitiveness of the shoot. I have plans for each shooter to shoot 60 shots, this is not chiseled in stone as I am not sure we will have enough time in the day to get that many rounds down range but we will certainly try. As for the competitiveness,,, this will be left up to the shooter. Sure there is going to be a winner that gets to go away with the bragging rights and that will be great, but I want everyone to know that this is mostly geared towards having fun and learning about muzzle loading rifles and what the possibilities are with these rifles. I don't want you to think you have to have the best gun or be the best shooter in order to have fun at this shoot, we will all have fun and go home a winner. I have four shooters signed up so far and I am looking for another 20 so come on and get on board with the others. All are invited to attend no matter what your skill level is or how long you been shooting. If you need help I am sure you will find it here at the shoot.
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Post by itneverends22 on Jun 5, 2017 8:01:21 GMT -5
This is as far back as I could find on Doug's board about the original revised intent of the Kentucky challenge titled, "The Kentucky Challenge Revised" dated 1/30/14. I ask everyone to read what Jeff was trying to do after the realization that no other specialized custom spml builders had the guts to come to the initial Kentucky challenge and compete against the best and try to beat the best.Very well said Jeff. Guys... I have gotten some positive feed back about the shoot I am having in August. I have also gotten a lot of questions concerning the lay out and the competitiveness of the shoot. I have plans for each shooter to shoot 60 shots, this is not chiseled in stone as I am not sure we will have enough time in the day to get that many rounds down range but we will certainly try. As for the competitiveness,,, this will be left up to the shooter. Sure there is going to be a winner that gets to go away with the bragging rights and that will be great, but I want everyone to know that this is mostly geared towards having fun and learning about muzzle loading rifles and what the possibilities are with these rifles. I don't want you to think you have to have the best gun or be the best shooter in order to have fun at this shoot, we will all have fun and go home a winner. I have four shooters signed up so far and I am looking for another 20 so come on and get on board with the others. All are invited to attend no matter what your skill level is or how long you been shooting. If you need help I am sure you will find it here at the shoot. Hammer, thank you for posting the original intent of K. C.,
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Post by hammer on Jun 5, 2017 12:54:06 GMT -5
Rules and regulations suck. Compete against yourself and personally i want to against the best and at some point if i feel i need to win i would build or have built a winning rifle and try for the top. Jeff, nice answer, plain, simple and correct.
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Post by Richard on Jun 5, 2017 14:25:27 GMT -5
Look, I am not trying to be the bad guy here........just throwing out ideas. I have seen the guys up in Pennsylvania go from shooting deer and bear from one mountain to another into the first "Original 1,000 yard Bench Rest Association!". They developed their own targets and classes. The same can be said of the North Carolina 1K bechrest AKA "HAWKS RIDGE" club. A bunch of guys shooting ground hogs at long distances in some fields. They subsequently formed a club and aligned with the IBS where targets, classes and rules were established; so it is not beyond reality for a group such as ours to somewhat change from the original format? Not saying it has to, but could? Either way I will be plugging along and shooting my .45 in August. Have a great summer!
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Post by Hank on Jun 5, 2017 19:15:10 GMT -5
Guys. I have been trying to keep up with these post over the last few days and I will admit I've been away from the board a little lately as I have some other things going on that are taking up a lot of my time.
I can see where some people want to make a few classes for rifles and I really don't have a problem with that, if the majority is on board. As it is right now, we are all shooting in one match with the potential for one 1st place winner. Would it be better to have a few classes so that at the end of the day we could have 2 or 3 first place winners in their division. Is it fair for Dennis to shoot his Apex against my Cyclops? Would it be a little more rewarding for us to have some classes so that every one is on a more level playing field.
Personally, this does not matter to me, I want everyone to attend, learn and have a good time and go home, glad that they spent the drive time to get to Kentucky for the weekend. Like Richard said. Things change and great things can come from us few guys shooting Smokeless Powder Muzzle Loaders in the creek bottom of Kentucky. If changing things up a little makes things better for us all then I am all for it.
If we make a few classes, the match will run exactly the same way, scored the same way, on and off the bench the same way. The only difference would be that at the end of the day we would have a few more first place winners. So what we need to decide is weather or not to make the classes.
I need feed back from each of you to help decide which way we need to go. The Kentucky Challenge has grown and changed since we first started it and it will continue to grow and change. We all need to have an open mind and except changes as they come along.
I am going to make another thread with a poll so each can vote weather to set up a few classes or none at all. You only need to vote, You can remain anonymous so no one will know who voted unless you decide to post your opinion and that is ok too.
If we decide to make classes. We will start out with three classes. A hunter class, A bench rest class and a Break open class. Weights for the classes will need to be determined and even that is subject to change. All I can tell you is that Cyclops weighs in at 32 pounds and I don't see him going on a diet any time soon.
Please look for the thread asking for your vote in the poll about setting up a few classes for the Kentucky Challenge.
Thanks Jeff.
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Post by deadeyedon89 on Jun 7, 2017 21:05:45 GMT -5
I say make different classes, any archery tournament I have ever been to has classes with equipment requirements. BUT that does not stop a "Hunter class" archer from shooting in the "pro class" if you wish..... so if I show up with a "benchrest class gun" and want to compete in the "unlimited" class(cyclops) then do it... no harm.... I would like the opportunity to possibly shoot in 2-3 classes if possible too. I say YES to different classes!
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Post by elkchayser on Jun 7, 2017 21:39:57 GMT -5
Yes to different classes
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Post by doug136 on Jun 8, 2017 8:21:15 GMT -5
I think there should be some sort of classes just not sure what ? Break actions ? Heavy weight and light weight ? Possibly a black powder/sub sub class . I think if you had a Black powder class we may be able to pull some Friendship shooters to come and play .
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Post by doug136 on Jun 8, 2017 8:32:51 GMT -5
I think everyone is getting up tight over nothing . Although I think there should be some sort of classes . That's not the real reason for going to the Challenge . The people you meet and the friends you make is what the Kentucky Challenge is about . I honestly have a room full of trophies I would gladly trade for one of my good friends . It's just a bragging thing .
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Post by 10gaauto on Jun 23, 2017 12:26:07 GMT -5
Have attended 2 challenges and shot in one. I'm in favor of having some sort of classes to give an idea of what guns of given make/design/use are capable of doing. The prizes from 1st to DNQ seemed to all be the same, thanks to Kyle. My personal skills and abilities no longer allow me to be competitive at longer ranges. My hunting style and area dictates that I have good accuracy but at ranges that are 99.5% of time under 150 yds. As for classes I'm thinking: 1. under 10 lbs, a "hunter" type class. 2. 10 to 13 lbs, a more open type class. 3. unlimited class.
Am also thinking that having more information on the "equipment" used, like make, actual weight, model, ignition, builder or smith, scope power and mfg, sabot or sabotless, bullet, powder, stock type, etc... etc... would allow people to evaluate how things perform.
Will not be able to make August but gearing up for next spring challenge. Just my opinion, others may vary. 10
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Post by markb317 on Jun 26, 2017 16:06:46 GMT -5
How about a Hunter Class where you use a bipod and rear squeeze bag or small sand bag (none bench rest bag)? 17# and under no limit on scope. 45 caliber
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Post by Hank on Jun 26, 2017 19:17:21 GMT -5
Sounds like a beginning start. We will decide at the next shoot, as a group.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jul 30, 2017 19:51:54 GMT -5
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jul 30, 2017 19:54:58 GMT -5
And I quote... " But we will not change rules at the last minute or at any of the shoots. All rules will be talked about on this board before we change anything and will not take effect for 3 months after these set rules have been posted to this board. Thanks Jeff Hankins". However this didt happen at the last spring shoot when use of personal benches were disallowed Just pointing out Respectfully Russell
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Post by doug136 on Jul 31, 2017 20:20:38 GMT -5
Whats the problem with the benches ?
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Post by joelmoney on Aug 14, 2017 14:50:12 GMT -5
I think the shoot is more to showcase what can be done with a SML. I want to see the better mouse trap. Be that direct ignition on a sub caliber gun or a full blowen heavy target gun. I hope to make it some day but could careless to shoot I'd come for the knowledge. I am hoping to get a couple guns made a walking hunter and a blind gun. Keeping an eye on what is going on at the Kentucky challenges has helped me see what is the best for my upcoming builds. Just my 2 cents from a nonshooting outsider looking in.
Thanks for all the knowledge everyone has passed so freely thus far.
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Post by iowa200 on Dec 11, 2017 20:30:36 GMT -5
Jeff, I have never been to one of your shoots for I just received my rebarreled Howa action from you this past October. In reading many posts about the Challenge it seems to me a huge determing factor in the outcome of the shoot is the rest that is used. To be fair, why don't shooters in each class use the exact same shooting rest?
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Post by hillbill on Dec 11, 2017 20:52:23 GMT -5
no two rifles are built the same as in forearm width etc. I'm sure if you want to shoot off of any of these guys rests they will say go for it. the last two shoots I shot off of bags just because I wanted to see if I could be competitive? I would have likely done better off a rest (I have one) but I had a lot of fun anyway.
everyones gun is set up different so one rest or bag size will not cut it, it would not come close to fitting all the guns there.
The Challenge is exactly that, A Challenge. A place to challenge your abilities and stretch your guns legs, it's not all about the competition, matter of fact that's just a small part of it. Come and see, you will have a blast!
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