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Post by rojo23 on Aug 8, 2015 18:17:24 GMT -5
First attempt at using my full sizing die on hornadys. These bullets once sized to the proper diameter are almost impossible to get started in the barrel. I sized a few so that they started easy, but then they almost fell all the way down the barrel. Any suggestions on getting the bullets started easier.
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Post by keith on Aug 8, 2015 18:48:56 GMT -5
I have a McGowen barrel like that. It had to go back to have a tight spot lapped out and came back choked. It shoots fine.
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Post by rojo23 on Aug 8, 2015 19:46:04 GMT -5
my barrel is a Kreiger, I would hate to have to send it back. The parker BE are not no where near as bad.
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Post by keith on Aug 8, 2015 19:52:21 GMT -5
Does it shoot fine?
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Post by rojo23 on Aug 8, 2015 21:04:48 GMT -5
it shoots great. I don't have any issues with accuracy. I don't have any issues with the parker BE, just today when I sized the hornady they are very hard to get started in the barrel.
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Post by keith on Aug 8, 2015 21:07:57 GMT -5
Then I wouldn't worry. Either pick the bullet that loads easily or deal with the cheaper practice rounds. Choked bores used to be a common thing; even today they are always marked/turned as muzzle on the tight end. Nothing tow worry about; even the premium barrels as not perfectly consistent from crown to breech.
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Post by typical171 on Aug 8, 2015 21:56:19 GMT -5
Have you tried to mark the way there coming off the die and walk them around till you find a land that will start more easily then the others. Don't know if that will help or not but its been my experience that there is always one way they will start easier then others lands.
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Post by Richard on Aug 8, 2015 22:17:52 GMT -5
Ditto
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 22:29:53 GMT -5
Its refered to as indexing and the bullet almost acts like a key to the fit...Only one way it will go easily...Bill suggest multiple passes through the die "indexed" ...there has been some rebounding reported with the Hornady's...
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Post by dannoboone on Aug 8, 2015 22:43:29 GMT -5
I've had the same problem in a .451 PN barrel with factory second 275 MH's as well as 250 FTX's.
Solved the problem with the MH's by chucking them lightly in a drill and smoothing the OD at
the base with emery cloth. It didn't take much. Haven't gone back to the FTX's yet.
I've noticed with FF sizing that the land engraving at the bullet base is rough with some
types of lead core bullets, and that leads to difficulty in getting them started into the
muzzle. Anyone else notice this? Haven't run into that with solids, though. The two or three
FTX's I did, though, left rougher exits on the bases than any of the other lead core bullets
I've tried.
And by the way, I do index all bullets, so that isn't necessarily the problem in getting the
FTX's started.
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Post by rojo23 on Aug 9, 2015 6:37:03 GMT -5
I have 2 different sizing dies. I just use 1 for the BE and the other is the full sizing die I got from Jeff. I seems like the problem is with the base of the bullet in the full sizing die. It is hard to tell but seems like it might be creating a small bur that is causing the issue. I didn't know if it would cause any issues if I removed that bur.
I also have not tried the insert that puts grooves in the bullets yet, I was using the smooth sizing insert.
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Post by keith on Aug 9, 2015 9:29:29 GMT -5
I'm confused, which die is causing the issue? You mentioned it was the "full sizing die" but haven't used the one that "puts grooves in the bullets" yet. Sounds like they are smooth sized so indexing is a non-issue.
I have four different makes of bullet sizing dies and they all leave that burr regardless of whether smooth or full form. It's going to happen when you displace metal. I haven't tried to remove the burr like Danno said, but will, because indexing my Brux barrel is critical and starting full form bullets through the brake is hard. I don't have that issue with my McGowen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 11:15:51 GMT -5
I have a McGowen barrel that seemed to be choked also. I bought some jb bore cleaner like Richard uses and cleaned the crap out of the barrel. I worked the muzzle end the most with jb. After I had it cleaned I sized some bullets from where I left my die before and the bullets seemed better. The choked part didn't seem as bad either. Another thing it seemed as if my bore was smoother also.
I wanted nothing to do with lapping the barrel. My gun shots better than I can smooth sizing so I'll stick with that. Good luck.
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Post by rojo23 on Aug 9, 2015 12:13:57 GMT -5
Sorry for the confusion. I have 2 different sizing dies. One is a non adjustable smooth die, that I use to size the parker BE. The other is an adjustable die that has 2 different inserts (smooth, rifled). I have only used the smooth one so far in my adjustable die. . I was concerned with removing the burr just because I might screw up something and change how the bullets fly.
I was thinking about using some of the jb bore cleaner and see if that helps.
Thanks
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Post by Richard on Aug 9, 2015 12:33:30 GMT -5
Don't get too caught up with J-B. It is not lapping compound, just an effective cleaner for removing copper. Some think it will remove metal? NOT! A friend and gunsmith from down in Ark. or Ala. (Mickey Coleman) ran a test with JB. He took a piece of a stainless barrel and mic'ed it carefully. He then proceeded to polish the Be-Jeesus out of it with JB on an electric buffing wheel for an hour. When he finished, he could not tell the difference in micrometer readings from before he buffed it?
You want to remove metal? Silicone-carbide lapping compound!
Richard
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Post by keith on Aug 9, 2015 14:22:23 GMT -5
Your friend is in Alabama
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 14:39:54 GMT -5
Richard, I should clarify what I wrote. I didn't mean jb is a lapping compound bit what I found was I had plenty of fouling in my barrel. The my l muzzle had more fouling than the rest of barrel giving it the "choked" feel. I'm sure my barrel is choked however it gets worse the more I shoot it. The jb seemed to make rest of the barrel smoother while pursuing bullet down bore when loading. Which gives me the impression that I had a good amount of copper build up. I worked the muzzle end nor cause it was choked from build up also. When I write these post I just feel you guys can read my mind.  I don't always get what I'm thinking wrote down so I leave important info out, thanks for addressing that mistake Richard. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 15:14:22 GMT -5
Your friend is in Alabama He also passed away last year. RIP |
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Post by keith on Aug 9, 2015 16:16:01 GMT -5
Mickey was one of the most personable gunsmiths that ever lived and that is rare. He was a long time poster on 24hourcampfire and was capable of dispensing knowledge and advice without condescending. Dog lover too.
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Post by rojo23 on Aug 9, 2015 17:07:26 GMT -5
Well the mystery is solved. I forgot until a little while ago that I had not shoot my muzzleloader since I Cerakoted the barreled action. There was just a small amount of cerakote on about the last 1/4" of the lands at the muzzle. I cleaned the cerakote off and wouldn't you know, everything is now ok. The hornaday are still harder to get started but after about the first 1" they go down fairly easy.
It is hard to fix stupid. Thanks for all the suggestions and ideas. Next cerakote job I will double check to make sure the muzzle is plugged.
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I don't always get what I'm thinking wrote down so I leave important info out, thanks for addressing that mistake Richard.