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Post by shane on Oct 10, 2016 20:20:52 GMT -5
Ok. I have been shooting Easton Axis ST 400's with 100gr slick tricks and tried the Wraith deep cut. Both fly true with these shafts. I wanted more Kinetic energy, so bought some Carbon Express Piledriver 350's And had some Easton FMJ 400's Broadheads will NOT fly well with either arrow. According to the chart, it's the correct Spine stiffness for each at 68-70# All have 2.5" Blazers Both will kick left and low 4-6" Field points fly true on ALL shafts. What's making these broadheads fly so differently on the heavier shafts? Lower is understandable, but 4-6" left?  What is the deal? |
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Post by speedrackin on Oct 10, 2016 20:29:18 GMT -5
what is the arrow lenghth
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Post by shane on Oct 10, 2016 20:40:06 GMT -5
Elite Hunter @68#
Axis arrows are older from last bow at 27" nock throat to insert
I had the new arrows cut to 28.75" to allow for little room
For broadhead to not hit my open hand.
They fly great with field tips, but not a broadhead.
Axis flies true regardless.
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Post by bowhunter836 on Oct 11, 2016 5:21:07 GMT -5
Try using brass inserts to increase your f.o.c it adds weight and in turn adds K.E.! I shoot easton FMG 400 with brass inserts finish arrow is 505gr with 15% f.o.c and It shoots well with alot of different broadheads! I shoot german kinetics broadheads they are expensive but in my opinion they are by far the best they weigh out perfectly and spin test has never shown any flaw
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Post by speedrackin on Oct 11, 2016 6:39:06 GMT -5
at 28.75 u may need a stiffer shaft if ur draw length is 27 then cut ur arrows at 27. Im guess you shoot with your fingers extended past the riser when u do this u tightening the ligaments going down ur arm rol your fingers toward grip and relax your arm . the other thing u can do is either increase the poundage or decrease to find where the arrow stabilizes I shoot an elite hunter at 26 inch with datorch arrows 75 grn brass 100 grain helix but only 60 pounds ....tack driver at 20 yards ...my bos shoots 70 pounds same draw and arrow but needs to shoot 330 shaft cuzz of the poundage just a thought it may take some tinkering
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Post by shane on Oct 11, 2016 20:53:46 GMT -5
Shot again today and same results. Removed 100gr
Tips & added 125 grain tips to ALL arrows.
Again. Axis shot great
FMJs that are 1.75" longer and Piledrivers 1" longer
Both shot Poorly.
Ordered HIT weighted inserts for the Axis arrows and FMJs
Will cut FMJs to exact length and see Wat result occurs.
Will have evaluated via Paper tuning this weekend
At the Archery Den in Nashville, TN.
Owner actually designed a sight that Copper John is
Now making called (TST--Torque Sychronizing Technology)
It helps eliminate hand torque inaccuracy by placing the site
Behind the riser and over the rest.
Check it out at Copper John.
It actually has improved my groups
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Post by speedrackin on Oct 11, 2016 21:25:47 GMT -5
interesting my elite hunter has a screaming bull cross axis quiver on that helps balance the bow
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Post by shane on Oct 11, 2016 21:54:04 GMT -5
I'm a quiver hanging in the tree shooter. 👍
Don't like the extra weight. Using a Tightspot to
Tote my arrows tho
That's a cool concept on that quiver.
Never seen it before. Fantastic idea for the Western spot
And stalk hunter.
The offset stabilizer is the other option the help balance the
Bow with quiver.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 23:50:47 GMT -5
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Post by shane on Oct 16, 2016 22:25:42 GMT -5
Went to trusted shop on Friday.
Instantly he asked about my arrows.
I told him brand and he said two things;
1. Easton Axis is very INCONSISTENT as are the FMJs.
DIDNT EVEN WORRY WITH THE Piledrivers!
(This is the largest Matthews dealer in the State of TN. And he refuses to sell the Axis Arrows or FMJs!!!!! That says a lot)
2. Need more spine. (As much as u can live with)
Paper tuning of the Axis (which was my best shooting arrows) showed a tear in paper at 15 yards.
Went to Gold Tip ProHunter 340 and it shot absolutely perfect.
No bow tuning required.
If I learned anything, use as stiff a spine as u can and
The BEST or STRAIGHTEST Arrows u can afford.
ProHunters are 0.001 Tolerance. As good as they get!!!
I bought a dozen and had all cut to 27.5".
My FOC is still too low for my liking at 10%.
However, the Gold Tip will allow addition of weights from
The nock end with a special tool!!!
10grains at a time.
I plan on adding Nockturnal lighted nocks and
Prolly 30-50 grains of weight in the front for a FOC Near 13-15%
As long as I can keep speed about 250fps
According to the archery calculator,
I should be able to sling 450-475 gr arrows at 255-265 fps.
With Kinetic Energy of 66.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 22:48:33 GMT -5
Sounds like you got it figured out. Good deal.
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Post by speedrackin on Oct 17, 2016 6:35:43 GMT -5
I seriously cant believe that he said that about AXIS and full metal jackets .....and if u would have tried hex or da torch arrow from Easton in 340 u could do the same thing in adding weight to the front end not the back end at all also fletching helical .if u are going to go with gold tips u will need to index each arrow they are known for inconsistency you mite go thru 2 dozen to get a dozen that are the same . also arrow wrap in the fletching end will add shaft stiffness 7inch giving more stiffness than 4 inch . Did he ck the tune on your bow cam lean and timing along with rest timing if your shooting a drop away . one other recommendation fletch all ur arrows in the exact same jig. ...i guess the bottom line is it is dhooting decent know .
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Post by hillbill on Oct 17, 2016 12:50:12 GMT -5
I shoot Velocity small diameter shafts with the insert/outsert, 2" blazers and they shoot great, they penetrate like crazy, I would not be afraid to shoot them @ 60 lbs or lower without any worries about penetration. honestly I can't tell you how many years it's been since I had problems with penetration. I do shoot 70 lb bows @ 30" draw with expandables however. I went to the small dia shafts to help with wind drift and it does seem to help somewhat.
I shot Carbon Express for years even when they were Game Tracker and they were great arrows, I just thought I would try the small dia shafts and the fact the were made in the USA helped with the decision.
I know several guys that shoot the Eastons and haven't heard any complaints?
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Post by bowhunter836 on Oct 17, 2016 13:57:35 GMT -5
I have shot FMJ with german kinetics broadheads for years I fletch them and put brass inserts in and weigh them when im done and they always are within 1-2grains they spin test perfectly I also practice at 60-70yrds alot and cant shoot at the same dot due to risk of cutting vanes off thats how well they shoot for me! I have also harvested a few elk out to 60yrds with no problems! So I have to disagree with that guy
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Post by nexttime on Oct 17, 2016 18:10:33 GMT -5
When it comes to broadhead tuning a compound one can chase there tail forever. One reason mechanicals are so popular. From my experience the one thing that gets overlooked the most is cam lean. If your yoke system tweaked for proper cam lean it's in vain. Take a straight edge off of your cams and reference to your string. It should be pretty close to parallel. I use a unflethed arrow for this. I shoot the carbon express maxima hunter 350 spine 29" 60lbs. Flys like a dart out to 70 with muzzy phantoms. Shot like crap until I yoke tuned. Just thought I would throw that out there. It made a huge difference in my case and several others I've tuned for others.
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Post by shane on Oct 18, 2016 19:56:59 GMT -5
I seriously cant believe that he said that about AXIS and full metal jackets .....and if u would have tried hex or da torch arrow from Easton in 340 u could do the same thing in adding weight to the front end not the back end at all also fletching helical .if u are going to go with gold tips u will need to index each arrow they are known for inconsistency you mite go thru 2 dozen to get a dozen that are the same . also arrow wrap in the fletching end will add shaft stiffness 7inch giving more stiffness than 4 inch . Did he ck the tune on your bow cam lean and timing along with rest timing if your shooting a drop away . one other recommendation fletch all ur arrows in the exact same jig. ...i guess the bottom line is it is dhooting decent know . Well he is a hell of an archer and been in business for A long time. He actually designed the Copper John TST Site Check it out on Copper John website. I was second guy in last week with Axis issues. He said that insert installation was different from arrow to arrow On the Axis. And he saw too many issues, so he no longer sells them. All I can tell u is that my Axis and FMJ all spun true, but Would kick hard left at 15 yards during paper tuning. As far as cam lean, it was the first thing he evaluated. He didn't try to sell me Wat he had on shelf. I asked him wat to shoot. His words, "Shoot The straightest Arrow you can afford too shoot." Glad I went with the ProHunters. Now he also said, "Shoot the most spine u can live with. Less flex, to a point, the better." I'm shooting 65-67# at 27.5" draw and the 400 spined arrows Don't shoot as well as the 340-350's I shot today and shot as well as I can remember out to 40 yards. Broadheads shooting true as well. As far as broadheads, I will never shoot Rage or any other Mechanical. Seen and heard too many reports of failure to open properly. Now the advantage of the Goldtips, not only are the Pro Hunters possibly the straightest (0.001 tolerance) they are the ONLY manufacturer that allows the addition of weights after insert installation! F.A.C.T. System You can add and subtract weight with a long Allen wrench tool from the Nock end. I will dabble with FOC later in the week. |
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Post by speedrackin on Oct 18, 2016 20:02:24 GMT -5
i agree with ya on mechanicals
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Post by shane on Oct 18, 2016 20:03:10 GMT -5
They scare me bud
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Post by bowhunter836 on Oct 19, 2016 5:04:32 GMT -5
I agree about the mechanical broadheads!
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Post by hillbill on Oct 19, 2016 7:17:32 GMT -5
I have been bowhunting since 75 when I killed my first deer and have shot all kinds of broadheads with good and bad results,likely more different heads than I could remember including bear and several old school heads that were about all that were available back then.
I currently shoot Schwackers but have tried T-3s Rage and many others. I would only shoot fixed blade heads for Elk but for whitetails what I use now works without fail.
I shot Rage for 3 years and killed a lot of deer with them but the floppy blades and small exit holes I got about 50% of the time put an end to that.
The T-3s failed to deploy part of the time so they were out in the first year
I have tried several other mechanicals and most failed miserably. The very worst of which were the Puckett blood trailers, while they were one of the first they were also one of the worst.
Why then are mechanicals so popular?
lots of guys just like to jump on a band wagon and shoot what is in vogue at the time, others like me tired of practicing with fixed blades and cutting up their targets and fletching.
Most of the younger crowd trend toward mechanicals, I guess I break from the old guy mold by joining them.
I will continue to use the 2" Schwackers until they fail me but I doubt I will ever have a problem.
If I go back to a fixed blade it will likely be Slick Tricks but for now I'm well north of 100 deer and counting with the ole bow and the current setup works extremely well.
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