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Post by Richard on Jun 24, 2016 20:38:08 GMT -5
I know I am out of my element in this section but.............? I was an active bow hunter most of my life and belonged to an archery club in NJ and bow hunted Colorado...................Just have done very little shooting for the past 15 years. But my question is...........have any of you seen or played with this Pre Charged Pneumatic cross bow that Benjamin has come out with? I believe I saw it on the first inside page of the Sportsman's Guide catalog. The reason I ask is that I had gotten involved with a Benjamin Maurader .25 cal. PCP air gun and am fascinated with its accuracy. Now I see they have this rig that shoots bolts at 450 fps with NO limbs? It must use a air powered piston to propel the bolt? It looks odd with no limbs. It says it get 8 shots at that speed. These "whatever you call them?" charge with 3,000 psi just like the rifles and are valved to give shots with low fps ES's. My Marauder will produce 3 fps ES for the first five shots starting at 3K and by my seventh 5 shot string getting down to around 2100 psi I might be up to 12 fps ES. So, for an arrow launcher this would be one hellava weapon? Also, what season would it fall under for hunting? It uses an arrow/bolt but has no limbs? Any thougts?
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Post by linebaugh on Jun 24, 2016 21:45:23 GMT -5
FX came out with an airgun with a change out barrel option that you could shoot arrows or pellets through the same gun. I have not had the pleasure to see one let alone handle one but there were some amazing reviews. The things are supposed to be hellish accurate. I believe FX now has 2 or three versions of air-row guns.
Do a youtube search for TedsHoldover. He has many reviews and I know he did a couple on one of the FX airguns that shoot arrows.
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Post by keith on Jun 25, 2016 6:55:06 GMT -5
Either I didn't actually post or someone deleted it which shouldn't have happened because all I said was I didn't know if they are even legal to hunt with at all but if they are I would guess it's during regular firearms season since its not archery equipment. I'm sure there will be huge push back from bowhunters like there was/is about crossbows. I think both are only acceptable for people with disabilities and the air-row gun is probably the better option for a person with a severe disability.
I'm not talking about guys who's shoulder hurts. My dad nearly died when I was in high school from a blood clot caused by thoracic outlet syndrome. Back then the answer was to remove your top two ribs to relieve pressure on nerves and axillary artery and vein. My dad is right handed and right eye dominant. The surgeon was overtly anti-gun and told my dad he had to stop shooting or it could possibly kill him which frightened my mother. My dad on the other hand learned to shoot a rifle, shotgun, and bow left handed.
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Post by Squeeze on Jun 25, 2016 8:31:20 GMT -5
LOL after about 40 years of the traditionalist Bowmen putting down compounds, then the compound guys voicing disdain over crossbow.. I guess the crossbow crowd just moved up and have something to hate. For a crowd that shows such great unity ( always the lions share of the season) they sure bicker amongst themselves plenty. Ive always found that funny. Similar to all the trad dress up muzzleloader guys getting on their computer to spout about the "correctness" of their flintlock blunderbuss.
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Post by linebaugh on Jun 25, 2016 10:23:22 GMT -5
I don't expect that it is legal for big game in any state in the US but then again I never looked. Small game may not even be legal by definition but again I have no idea and don't guess it makes my day and different either way.
In my early 20s I went traditional which quickly transitioned into primative archery. Dad and I made our own bows out of osage orange (hedge) trees and dad still only shoots that way and still makes all his equipment at 67y/o. I had a blast doing it and made a good many bows most of which I gave away to friends and family as well as all my own arrows and quivers and such. One year out of the blue I had a nice buck (at the time) come by at about 40-45 yards and I did not shoot because I didnt feel I could make the shot. For whatever reason that hunting experience changed my mind on primative and traditional archery. I guess I just got tired of not taking home "trophies" due to lack of equipment. Compounds for me ever since.
It is silly how the guy that is "more traditional" than the next guy is sometimes so much more proud of himself. I bought a crossbow 2 years ago and have yet to hunt anything with it nor have I even shot a broadhead. In the mean time I am told quite frequently how I am cheating by the compound crowd. Makes me laugh. Anymore I nearly tell those people to leave if they are at my place. I don't have time for that BS in my life anymore. Hunt as you wish and enjoy your time in the wilds with those who care to share it with you. Most importantly know what makes a trophy in your mind and be content with that.
If I had a dollar bill for every time I have heard "man that would be a real trophy with a bow". LOL. I now respond with... "It's a trophy to me either way, didn't know my weapon choice made it any more trophy".
Man this thread got off topic. Lol.
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Post by Richard on Jun 25, 2016 13:38:41 GMT -5
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Post by keith on Jun 26, 2016 8:54:23 GMT -5
Linebaugh,
I sold my Mathews Conquest (Long axle I shot with fingers not release) and started shooting an Adcock ACS take-down longbow as a college freshman. I've got an Osage blank in the garage worked about half way down through tillering. I do it because I enjoy it and hate carrying heavy stuff. I get plenty of that at work. I accept that 30-35yds is my Max effective range and that I'm more effective 25yds and in. I've never had to watch a trophy walk away mostly because I've been in exile in NC for most of my adult life and while at university in my home state of Texas I mostly killed pigs with my bow. By the time I got away from school to hunt the Panhandle it was rifle season. I never felt any different when I took an animal with a cable bow than I did with a stick bow. Both are pretty intense.
I would guess that taking an animal with a crossbow or air-bow is just as intense. The reason I am opposed is the difference between letter and spirit of the law. Yeah, an air-bow uses a bolt so might (I say again, might) follow the letter of the law if vague as some game laws are. Spirit of the law, absolutely not. I can buy off on compound bows and crossbows because they don't radically differ from the original form so it follows letter and spirit. There is a book entitled, "Zen in the Art of Archery". If you can't figure out how you would apply your chosen equipment to the teachings in that tome I don't think you can say it follows spirit of the law. I'm not tracking any gunbow seasons since all require limbs to meet required pounds-force.
For me it's not superiority because if it's legal and ethical I'm cool with it. It's not discrimination because I hate all special interest groups. I'm just a pretty black and white guy and have a pretty solid level of reading comprehension so can tell when something fits or someone is trying to get over. It's why I don't care that SML isn't legal everywhere since I don't think it follows spirit of the law if the season is "primitive" or "blackpowder". If it's just muzzle loader season the letter of the law supports an argument for spirit. An air-bow is like a transgender case and I know how this board likely feels about that. I know they don't let me carry my pistol into federal buildings because it identifies as an iPad.
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Post by Richard on Jun 26, 2016 14:24:49 GMT -5
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Post by keith on Jun 26, 2016 22:38:42 GMT -5
I don't really keep up with NC but TX is 1.125" cutting diameter and 40 pounds-force at launch.
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Post by Hank on Jun 27, 2016 16:26:36 GMT -5
Either I didn't actually post or someone deleted it which shouldn't have happened because all I said was I didn't know if they are even legal to hunt with at all but if they are I would guess it's during regular firearms season since its not archery equipment. I'm sure there will be huge push back from bowhunters like there was/is about crossbows. I think both are only acceptable for people with disabilities and the air-row gun is probably the better option for a person with a severe disability. I'm not talking about guys who's shoulder hurts. My dad nearly died when I was in high school from a blood clot caused by thoracic outlet syndrome. Back then the answer was to remove your top two ribs to relieve pressure on nerves and axillary artery and vein. My dad is right handed and right eye dominant. The surgeon was overtly anti-gun and told my dad he had to stop shooting or it could possibly kill him which frightened my mother. My dad on the other hand learned to shoot a rifle, shotgun, and bow left handed. No one deleted your post... That is only done on the other board... So you must not have hit the Create Post button on the bottom right of your screen. No big deal,, I have done it before myself.. Nothing sucks more than to write up a response and accidentally delete it yourself... Especially when using and Iphone,, if you swipe to hard the hole dang post goes away and there is no way to get it back... But as for the (AIR BOW). I also sow it advertised and I would think it would be a fun thing to shoot and in Kentucky you would be able to hunt with it during gun season.. Since it is not a bow or a cross bow,, I would think you are limited to modern weapon season only.. But, things can always change, if a lot of people take interest in them, the season requirements could change. |
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