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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 20:49:51 GMT -5
There was plenty of evidence the shooter ,in the latest movie theatre shooting, should NOT have been able to buy a firearm because of his mental instability and history....This scenario is coming up on almost every one of these freak shooting attacks....Imo the NRA needs to step in and promote more background checks for firearm purchases or we ALL are going to lose our gun rights.....Any thoughts guys..?
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Post by beans on Jul 24, 2015 21:38:13 GMT -5
Another tragedy. Not sure all the back round checks in the world would stop a mad man who gets a gun. Maybe the best way is to have 10 people who may have been legally armed where one of them could have confronted and taken on the gunman??
Back round checks are good but people can get guns whenever they want. No laws will prevent that so it's up to the armed citizen to both protect themselves in public and protect the lives of others when they can do so safely.
Here in Western NY we watch the news every morning and hear of murders and shootings in Rochester and Buffalo. I tell my wife that this can't be true?? We have the SAFE ACT where there are no more crimes. No more shootings. However, the SAFE ACT does nothing to protect the people here. All it does is restrict me from MANY things. It does not restrict the criminal intent on doing harm. I can't buy ammo on line anymore....limited to what is available in gun shops and Walmart. Not a biggie because I reload and have components to endure for a long while. But, it limits Joe Average from procuring ammo of his choice. Crooks don't care if they have ammo of choice....any ammo can do the job at 10 ft in an alley....and a few rounds or clips worth is on the streets for the right price.
This incident will help fire up the political debates on "gun control" and hurt you , me and other law abiding Americans. I say gun control is using both hands and taking dead aim.
We live in a fragile world right now. Things are bad for everyday people regarding their 2nd amendment rights. It will not get better soon and there will be lot's of pain for us before it ever gets better....if that ever happens. We need an awakening and new leaders who take the constitution seriously.
I tell everyone I know to get their concealed carry permit NOW. Get a gun and know how to use is. Carry whenever you can and be prepared to defend yourself and your family. Chances are you'll never need it BUT...when you do need it, you will not be a sheep for the slaughter of a criminal or terrorist. Yes, we have to say terrorist, because now they are here thanks to our lame A$$ president, Barak Hussien Obama, who cannot say the words "Islamic Extremists". Sad, sad sad.
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Post by hillbill on Jul 24, 2015 21:42:10 GMT -5
The bottom line is checks or no checks a person wanting to buy a gun can and will do so without going through a background check.
like the shooter here in Chattanooga last week, some shooters are not mentally unstable BUT are swayed by what they believe to be true taught by other groups wanting to disrupt our way of life.
Lets face it guys, life in the good ole USA will never be the same since 911, everyone looking to go out with a bang and do as much harm as possible has the opportunity to do so here in this country If they are crafty enough. society has changed for the worse like it or not.
its a sad fact that the safest way to travel is armed, just in case the unthinkable happens..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 22:06:17 GMT -5
My brother who has been a psychologist for the past 35 years used to freak out when I'd bring hand guns on our fishing,camping and 4-wheeler trips.
Well I freaked out on our last 4-wheel camping trip when sitting around the campfire in the lawn chair with my gun sitting beside me as usual, he makes the unsolicited comment "I sure feel safer with your pistol sitting there"
Ya'll are right, times have changed and not for the better. Maybe someday but until then I observe my 2nd amendment rights.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 22:19:59 GMT -5
I totally agree that fight fire with fire,but the lawmakers are going to make changes and imo its going more towards take all guns away from everyone....even though that's impossible,but is the mainstay across the globe....
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Post by Squeeze on Jul 25, 2015 6:56:21 GMT -5
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Post by Kyle on Jul 25, 2015 7:52:48 GMT -5
I agree that there are Whackos out there that should not be able to buy guns that are currently buying guns legally. It is unfortunate that in the process of us to be able to buy guns and exercise our second amendment rights that these unstable people are buying guns too. I could see our law makers one day requiring not only a criminal background check to buy a gun, but a psychological evaluation as well. If that happened ...no more instant check, more like weeks or months to buy a gun. Gents be careful how you answer questions on paperwork that you fill out every year at your doctors office. Your medical records aren't just between you and your doctor. Society has changed. If you have a carry permit, carry your weapon where the law allows. Be familiar with when and where you can carry your gun.
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Post by dannoboone on Jul 25, 2015 9:50:57 GMT -5
My brother who has been a physiologist for the past 35 years used to freak out when I'd bring hand guns on our fishing,camping and 4-wheeler trips. Well I freaked out on our last 4-wheel camping trip when sitting around the campfire in the lawn chair with my gun sitting beside me as usual, he makes the unsolicited comment "I sure feel safer with your pistol sitting there" Shooting incidents happen and make national news. The lib "let no trajedy go to waste" politicians and main stream news media go to their "gun control" drumbeat, "We need more gun control laws!" Interviews with locals of such incidents are almost all with the anti-gun crowd. Their relentless drumbeat goes on and on, in attempts to get the populace to all turn against the 2d Amendment. They never stop! But is it working as planned? There apparently are a lot more people like Rambler's brother (never news reported) than one may realize. After all, the present resident in our national capitol has been credited with being the best gun salesman ever. Incidents happen, he blows his mouth about more gun laws, gun sales and ammo sales sky-rocket! These "nut cases" seem to have it together enough to know the best places to go without getting stopped while doing their evil deeds are the "gun free" zones such as movie theaters and our dis-Armed Forces places of work. I believe a lot of people are beginning to wake up........are enough, soon enough? Only time will tell. BOYCOTT "GUN FREE" ZONES.......they are UNSAFE zones! |
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Post by beans on Jul 25, 2015 12:24:19 GMT -5
The guy who was just fine 20 years ago and has guns, could go off the deep end. Divorce, money problems, "chemical imbalance"....this stuff happens to good people. These guys will always fly under the radar. Heck, Maybe it could be you or me that somehow has enough crap happen and gets desperate that we "turn". I certainly do not see that as a possibility personally...but, if that were to happen, I say right here, right now...hopefully there will be a clear minded person to put a bullet in me.
Now, the same guy who goes off the deep end and cannot find a gun...but, wants to make the news and do some bad things, can still do great carnage. There are so many other weapons that can be used to create devistation. I don't even want to mention the 100's of ways as to give any crazies ideas.
Evil is evil. The gun is not evil. The steak knife is not evil. A car is not evil. And 5 gallons of gas and a match is not evil. People are evil and will project evil in whatever ways they can. Be ready to confront and stop evil is all you can do. Taking away guns is one way to limit how evil is confronted. Don't let that happen.
Donate to the NRA, write your local, state and Federal politians and be proactive in defending the 2nd amendment. Always be prepared to be the armed citizen you see on pg 10 of the American Rifleman every month. Stuff happens very randomly and many well prepared people find themselves not prepared during a random act.
It goes on and on and on and on................
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 13:10:59 GMT -5
My brother who has been a physiologist for the past 35 years used to freak out when I'd bring hand guns on our fishing,camping and 4-wheeler trips. Well I freaked out on our last 4-wheel camping trip when sitting around the campfire in the lawn chair with my gun sitting beside me as usual, he makes the unsolicited comment "I sure feel safer with your pistol sitting there" Shooting incidents happen and make national news. The lib "let no trajedy go to waste" politicians and main stream news media go to their "gun control" drumbeat, "We need more gun control laws!" Interviews with locals of such incidents are almost all with the anti-gun crowd. Their relentless drumbeat goes on and on, in attempts to get the populace to all turn against the 2d Amendment. They never stop! But is it working as planned? There apparently are a lot more people like Rambler's brother (never news reported) than one may realize. After all, the present resident in our national capitol has been credited with being the best gun salesman ever. Incidents happen, he blows his mouth about more gun laws, gun sales and ammo sales sky-rocket! These "nut cases" seem to have it together enough to know the best places to go without getting stopped while doing their evil deeds are the "gun free" zones such as movie theaters and our dis-Armed Forces places of work. I believe a lot of people are beginning to wake up........are enough, soon enough? Only time will tell. BOYCOTT "GUN FREE" ZONES.......they are UNSAFE zones! I meant to say my brother has been a psychologist for the past 35 years. Sorry |
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Post by airborneike on Jul 25, 2015 13:23:49 GMT -5
Kyle has a VERY important point about Q/A sessions with your doctor.
Point...I had a friend,fellow veteran,who as part of a a VA check up was questioned about if he had ever had thoughts of suicide. His answer in a joking manner, "everyone has had thoughts about that".
The VA forcefully retained him for 48 hours and are trying to block his right to have firearms.
My last checkup with the VA had an interesting conversation with the Psych evaluator. This young man made it clear to me that he thought combat veterans should be doubly screened and any firearms owned by them should be confiscated until the VETERAN proved he was not a risk. You can imagine the ensueing debate....but....had I have shown any, ANY signs of anger, would have been labeled as a "risk". He was most likely just trying to provoke me but it was serious because he had the power to "label" me as a risk.
Sure, guns need to be kept out of the hands of mentally defective people but we need to be MOST careful that in doing so we do not allow a broad sweeping label that would, just because one had seen a counselor, deny their gun owner rights. Slipery slope on steroids!
Beans, your statement "evil is evil, the gun is not evil" is spot on
IMHO, there are many looking to find ANY way to squash gun rights and we need to be cautious and responsible with the laws and rules we allow to be made.
Enough to make your head hurt.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 13:59:48 GMT -5
Kyle has a VERY important point about Q/A sessions with your doctor. Point...I had a friend,fellow veteran,who as part of a a VA check up was questioned about if he had ever had thoughts of suicide. His answer in a joking manner, "everyone has had thoughts about that". The VA forcefully retained him for 48 hours and are trying to block his right to have firearms. My last checkup with the VA had an interesting conversation with the Psych evaluator. This young man made it clear to me that he thought combat veterans should be doubly screened and any firearms owned by them should be confiscated until the VETERAN proved he was not a risk. You can imagine the ensueing debate....but....had I have shown any, ANY signs of anger, would have been labeled as a "risk". He was most likely just trying to provoke me but it was serious because he had the power to "label" me as a risk. Sure, guns need to be kept out of the hands of mentally defective people but we need to be MOST careful that in doing so we do not allow a broad sweeping label that would, just because one had seen a counselor, deny their gun owner rights. Slipery slope on steroids! Beans, your statement "evil is evil, the gun is not evil" is spot on IMHO, there are many looking to find ANY way to squash gun rights and we need to be cautious and responsible with the laws and rules we allow to be made. Enough to make your head hurt. Not to get off topic but this past year I have had in depth dealings with the VA. My wife's brother lives with us. He lost his leg due to agent orange in Viet Nam. He has seen numerous psych docs and countless physicians. Said that to say this....IMO they are all incompetent medical rejects that can't make it in the private sector. But it's all he's got for medical attention. So I very much question the capabilities of them to screen for signs of violence. |
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Post by Hank on Jul 25, 2015 16:32:29 GMT -5
The world is full of nuts,, the problem is you can't find one until it cracks,, then it's almost to late..
Stricter back ground checks and even mental exams won't stop the gun violence. Any psycho can go you a gun show and buy pretty much what ever he wants from the want-a-be gun dealer on the side walk. I use to set up at gun shows years ago and rent 8-10 tables, pay for a motel to stay out of town and sit at my tables all day trying to sell a new gun the legal way, while all along the Iles were full of these want-a-be gun dealers selling a few dollars less than me and not doing a 4473 form... I quit going to the shows, sold all my inventory and now just sell my custom rifles to legal gun owners..
There's always a way to get a gun if you want one... It's us GOOD GUYS that will suffer in the long run...
Jeff
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Post by hunter on Jul 26, 2015 6:17:00 GMT -5
I have often thought that a lot of these mass shooters look like they are hopped up on drugs.
If they are, are they ever tested and then the drug companies sued for causing the tragedies.
Would the drugs not be more the cause than the gun?
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Post by alabama on Sept 15, 2015 9:50:59 GMT -5
The problem with mental health and guns; there are the crazy people past and present but how will anyone know whether a person will be crazy in the future.
No one knows. Any one of us is subject to have a mental problem in the future.
I'm thinking some family moral values instilled in young people and give them respect for life. Most of the killing would not occur
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