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Post by Yankee Bill on Dec 13, 2015 21:12:07 GMT -5
All good info guys, thanks.
Scat, I like your hardware!
YB
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Post by nyhunter on Dec 13, 2015 22:14:53 GMT -5
H&R 45/70 Ultrahunter conversion shooting 250gr Bonded Shockwaves over 10/55 4759/4198 mixed duplex at 2650fps 24" bbl 8.5 pounds loaded H&R 45/70 conversion shooting 250gr Barnes TEZ over 10/55 4759/4198 mixed duplex at 2550 fps 22" bbl Williams fire sights. Scat, How it the kick with those loads, there coming out fast. Are you full or smooth sizing them ? Nice setup. !!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 22:40:42 GMT -5
The Ultrahunter takes the 250 SST, 250 FTX, and the 250 Bonded Shockwave straight from pack to bore. NO sizing needed. It thumps pretty good but most everything I shoot does. It will shoot the above listed projectiles into a ragged hole. It will shoot the 250 TEZ if they are knurled a little.
The only projectiles that I normally smooth form size are for my Savage Pac-Nor land cannon. I have a full form die for it too but have found the accuracy is better as a land rider with the 250 and 290 TEZ
The black gun I just had Slufoot convert this past summer when I found out they were going to quit making them. It is likely only about 6 to 6.5 pounds and will get your attention. I honestly don't know how accurate it is because of the iron sights. Its' bore is around .0005 tighter making the SST, FTX, etc harder to load without sizing. I do know the TEZ projectiles are bad medicine. They will penetrate end to end on a deer and keep on going. I carried it as a close range shot this year when I carried my land cannon for long shots. It came in handy on a coyote that trotted by and became buzzard bait while I was set up for a long range cross valley shot with the land cannon. The iron sights make for super quick target acquisition. It took a running deer at 75 yards, a shot I likely wouldn't have taken with a scope in the woods.
I really like the H&R's because they have a consistent bore diameter that gets slightly tighter at the breech. At any rate, The best advice I can give BEFORE converting is this: If you intend to shoot sabotless, be SURE to try different sized projectiles in your barrel for fit and make sure that the barrel IS NOT tighter at the muzzle than the breech. This can be done before converting the barrel. I have a friend who had his Apex converted only to find it was tighter at the muzzle, making the bullet loose on the charge. That gun is a sabot only gun.
People have discussed the safe pressure limits of break actions and my loads may be in a gray area with a Savage plug. I have at least a hundred shots thru my Ultrahunter and quite a few thru the black gun and others that I had converted for friends with no problems. Both of my guns have a Savage plug. I think Jeff's plug is a smaller OD which leaves more meat at the breech. That would be the wise option.
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Post by nyhunter on Dec 14, 2015 7:21:48 GMT -5
The Ultrahunter takes the 250 SST, 250 FTX, and the 250 Bonded Shockwave straight from pack to bore. NO sizing needed. It thumps pretty good but most everything I shoot does. It will shoot the above listed projectiles into a ragged hole. It will shoot the 250 TEZ if they are knurled a little. The only projectiles that I normally smooth form size are for my Savage Pac-Nor land cannon. I have a full form die for it too but have found the accuracy is better as a land rider with the 250 and 290 TEZ The black gun I just had Slufoot convert this past summer when I found out they were going to quit making them. It is likely only about 6 to 6.5 pounds and will get your attention. I honestly don't know how accurate it is because of the iron sights. Its' bore is around .0005 tighter making the SST, FTX, etc harder to load without sizing. I do know the TEZ projectiles are bad medicine. They will penetrate end to end on a deer and keep on going. I carried it as a close range shot this year when I carried my land cannon for long shots. It came in handy on a coyote that trotted by and became buzzard bait while I was set up for a long range cross valley shot with the land cannon. The iron sights make for super quick target acquisition. It took a running deer at 75 yards, a shot I likely wouldn't have taken with a scope in the woods. I really like the H&R's because they have a consistent bore diameter that gets slightly tighter at the breech. At any rate, The best advice I can give BEFORE converting is this: If you intend to shoot sabotless, be SURE to try different sized projectiles in your barrel for fit and make sure that the barrel IS NOT tighter at the muzzle than the breech. This can be done before converting the barrel. I have a friend who had his Apex converted only to find it was tighter at the muzzle, making the bullet loose on the charge. That gun is a sabot only gun. People have discussed the safe pressure limits of break actions and my loads may be in a gray area with a Savage plug. I have at least a hundred shots thru my Ultrahunter and quite a few thru the black gun and others that I had converted for friends with no problems. Both of my guns have a Savage plug. I think Jeff's plug is a smaller OD which leaves more meat at the breech. That would be the wise option. Thanks for the update.
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Post by schoolmaster on Dec 20, 2015 11:43:13 GMT -5
My woods rifle is a 50 caliber Savage with the barrel shortened to 16.5 inches. I shoot a 300 grain Barnes EXP, in a HPH-24 sabot, 43 grains of 4759 and a CCI 209M primer. It is sighted 2 inches high at 50 yards. I have a Leupold 1X4 variable on it. Easy to load in the field, handy in a ground blind or stand. Very effective on deer.
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