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Post by Yankee Bill on Dec 10, 2015 19:08:05 GMT -5
YB, you sure know how to get em stirred up over there! LOL, I don't think they care for the name hillbill over there much any more either BUT like I said in my last post ever, I don't recall moderating a pee pee match over here lately. welcome aboard sir, I think you will find us a little more civil.. LOL Hillbill, I have always shot straight from the hip ... as the saying goes. Guess my having said "I prefer to reserve my "Poloticking" for the Poll Booths on election days" must have sent someone's panties up their Buttcrack over there
YB
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Post by linebaugh on Dec 10, 2015 19:59:33 GMT -5
I need to apologize for my earlier post. Although I don't necessarily think I said anything out of tune I should not have drug that nevative vibe to this board. All the members here and there are smart enough to make their own conclusions without my brash comments. My feelings kind of got the best of me and I'm human. Sorry to the poster and to the board. I will think before I type in the future.
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Post by hillbill on Dec 10, 2015 20:25:03 GMT -5
Linebaugh
the truth is the truth, no apologies needed.
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Post by miketodd on Dec 10, 2015 21:03:19 GMT -5
I just in the last couple days, I challenged the moderator(s) of Doug's on following the rules the moderators established and all members agreed to. They decided they did not like the fact that I pointed out all the mistakes they made in following such. The moderator(s) who obviously were angered deleted any evidence of such rules, so he/they can carry on with their personal vendettas. Years back when I was fishing in bass clubs, I pulled several of these clubs out of turmoil by being voted in as a temporary president. I used Robert's rules of order, common sense, and self control of forming personal likes or dislikes of members to teach them how to control a meeting. All of this would apply perfectly to a forum. I also more recently spent 7 years controlling multi-classroom Bassmaster University sessions across the country for the worldwide org of BASS. I think this may qualify me to know of what I speak. Just don't mention the words Jeff, HIS, or Hankins (LOL) on Doug's and you should be fine if you choose to chat there....nuff said. Man I am done done done over there. Over the last week I have had no less than 3 of my threads deleted,, been basically accused of being a plant or secret salesman for Jeff Hankins . Those guys are tripping all over themselves trying to backstabb each other all in a effort to sell a build. They don't realize people can see right through that . I've always been of the opinion if you want to build a business you build a business on your own merits,,,not tearing down another mans business down. Some clowns never learn. I had had one guy actually send me a PM when I was trying to do business with Jeff Hankins telling me how much better his work was than his and how much longer he had been posting on Dougs than Jeff had. You can bet who did not get my business after that PM. anyways hello board. I suspect I will be here a lot more.
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Post by speedrackin on Dec 10, 2015 21:12:31 GMT -5
Welcome , you will find that no matter who builds your gun or guns , or even if you do it yourself , you will get the help you are looking for , courteous polite !!!!
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Post by muddy72 on Dec 10, 2015 22:26:41 GMT -5
I think the folks here have a good vision for what members are interested in!
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Post by nyhunter on Dec 10, 2015 23:03:22 GMT -5
Gentlemen,
I didn’t mean to open up a can of worms with my post earlier today!!!
Just didn’t agree with Doug's removing today’s post by YB and myself when we simply gave our honest option and stated that we had decided to go with Jeff's HIS breech plug system.
Being relatively new to both sites I did not realize the magnitude of situation at hand.
That being said I appreciate the informative posts from all the members, the willingness to help and share information that I’m sure was obtained from years of trial & error participating in SML.
Thanks again,
Charles
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 23:04:10 GMT -5
I just in the last couple days, I challenged the moderator(s) of Doug's on following the rules the moderators established and all members agreed to. They decided they did not like the fact that I pointed out all the mistakes they made in following such. The moderator(s) who obviously were angered deleted any evidence of such rules, so he/they can carry on with their personal vendettas. Years back when I was fishing in bass clubs, I pulled several of these clubs out of turmoil by being voted in as a temporary president. I used Robert's rules of order, common sense, and self control of forming personal likes or dislikes of members to teach them how to control a meeting. All of this would apply perfectly to a forum. I also more recently spent 7 years controlling multi-classroom Bassmaster University sessions across the country for the worldwide org of BASS. I think this may qualify me to know of what I speak. Just don't mention the words Jeff, HIS, or Hankins (LOL) on Doug's and you should be fine if you choose to chat there....nuff said. Its gotten bad over there from what Bill has enlightened me on...I have been forever banned over there for calling Edge out He really has /had a hardon for anything Jeff had to post ...Funning thing is I didn't get banned until I responded to a thread here "Water under the bridge" ....I would have never thought in my wildest nightmares I would have been banned,but the direction and harassment and unbrotherlyhood ...I'm glad I bailed out when I did... Jeff has a good thing going here and at his challenges..Maybe you can make it to one, one day, It would be a pleasure to meet you and talk some fishin with you.....Bill seen me jack a 40lb cobia ...you need to get some of that,lol....
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Post by Yankee Bill on Dec 10, 2015 23:39:10 GMT -5
Well, from the recent thread over "there" titled "Hankins" (that was locked) it appears that Edge was implying that I (although he didn't mention my name) had apparently sent a bunch of Jeff's "salesman" over there touting his goods, after I posted that I had decided to go with Jeff's system in my gun.
Geez, I don't hardly even know anyone on this board yet, let alone who might be Jeff's salesmen.
I've been posting on various message boards for probably 15 yrs. or more now and never really butted heads w/ anyone, aside from healthy topic debates, but what is going on over there is just crazy.
YB
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Post by mike on Dec 10, 2015 23:54:52 GMT -5
Doug's Message Board no longer allows viewing by guests. Anyone who wants to view must now be registered.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 1:06:27 GMT -5
I must have got caught in the crossfire. Feels pretty good getting banned from there.
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Post by nyhunter on Dec 11, 2015 1:37:21 GMT -5
Well, from the recent thread over "there" titled "Hankins" (that was locked) it appears that Edge was implying that I (although he didn't mention my name) had apparently sent a bunch of Jeff's "salesman" over there touting his goods, after I posted that I had decided to go with Jeff's system in my gun. Geez, I don't hardly even know anyone on this board yet, let alone who might be Jeff's salesmen. I've been posting on various message boards for probably 15 yrs. or more now and never really butted heads w/ anyone, aside from healthy topic debates, but what is going on over there is just crazy. YB YB, I think he is referring to me, when I came across your thread I posted the following comments to it: ________________________________________ "I also looked around and decided to use Jeff's system on a 45/70 conversion, I to felt it suited my needs. I have spoken to Jeff on the phone and he seems like a great guy who is willing to help out, not just a salesman trying to sell you something. I am new to SML and both of these boards and realize there may be some "friendly competition" going on; however from what I have seen in my limited time is that most everyone is genuinely willing to help their fellow individuals with the sport. Look forward to participating in the sport and someday giving back to those that are in need of guidance as well." ________________________________________Less than 30 minutes later the thread was locked, your original thread has since been relisted however my post to such thread has been removed. I explained to Edge that I had no affiliation with Jeff Hankins and was only giving my honest option on what I thought was best for my needs. Had no idea at the time to the extent of the “friendly competition” I had referenced, wasn’t looking to get in the middle of a WAR. I hope this sets the record straight to all the parties involved. Thanks !!!
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Post by miketodd on Dec 11, 2015 8:40:27 GMT -5
I just in the last couple days, I challenged the moderator(s) of Doug's on following the rules the moderators established and all members agreed to. They decided they did not like the fact that I pointed out all the mistakes they made in following such. The moderator(s) who obviously were angered deleted any evidence of such rules, so he/they can carry on with their personal vendettas. Years back when I was fishing in bass clubs, I pulled several of these clubs out of turmoil by being voted in as a temporary president. I used Robert's rules of order, common sense, and self control of forming personal likes or dislikes of members to teach them how to control a meeting. All of this would apply perfectly to a forum. I also more recently spent 7 years controlling multi-classroom Bassmaster University sessions across the country for the worldwide org of BASS. I think this may qualify me to know of what I speak. Just don't mention the words Jeff, HIS, or Hankins (LOL) on Doug's and you should be fine if you choose to chat there....nuff said. Its gotten bad over there from what Bill has enlightened me on...I have been forever banned over there for calling Edge out He really has /had a hardon for anything Jeff had to post ...Funning thing is I didn't get banned until I responded to a thread here "Water under the bridge" ....I would have never thought in my wildest nightmares I would have been banned,but the direction and harassment and unbrotherlyhood ...I'm glad I bailed out when I did... Jeff has a good thing going here and at his challenges..Maybe you can make it to one, one day, It would be a pleasure to meet you and talk some fishin with you.....Bill seen me jack a 40lb cobia ...you need to get some of that,lol....
It's good to see you and so many friendly familiar faces over here. And your right. It's gotten really bad over there. They are not going to be happy till they have a few people posting with "authority" over there. Sadly no one will be listening because I suspect as word gets out they will eventually find this board and find better information and a better class of shooters.
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Post by keith on Dec 12, 2015 9:57:46 GMT -5
FYSA, there are guys from that board who aren't members here but look in on this board. I think this thread counts as stirring the pot. If nobody cares about mending the rift then truck on.
I told you there, before my post was deleted, how you say things goes a long way towards achieving a desired outcome. You can post without sounding like an acolyte. I think people fail to understand they don't have the right to say whatever they want. There are always consequences and shooting from the hip, as mentioned above as a defense, is how people get shot by more deliberate men.
I don't think that this site needs much moderation because it is mostly like minded people and the rest are socially adept. That is how parties work. I don't think one board owns the moral high ground; you can't judge the lot by the few.
Palaver doesn't fix gunshot wounds, tourniquet do. Diplomacy would have stemmed this early on but it was never attempted and as a result we had a civil war. We failed as a community.
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Post by mike on Dec 12, 2015 10:21:57 GMT -5
Doug's Message Board no longer allows viewing by guests. Anyone who wants to view must now be registered. I'm again able to view Doug's Message Board as a guest. Don't know why I couldn't the other night. Sorry to post the misinformation.
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Post by fishhawk on Dec 12, 2015 10:24:00 GMT -5
Yankeebill and nyhunter, you are not to blame at all, you just tripped a hair trigger that you didn't know existed. All, good! Keith, well said! Diplomacy goes way farther in America than one absolute ruler.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 11:13:30 GMT -5
It's nice to be somewhere everybody gets to voice their opinion. Some places after the right people voice their opinion the thread would be cleaned up and closed. Sorry I don't forget it's my greatest weakness , I guess. Double standards just don't work for very long.
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Post by Yankee Bill on Dec 12, 2015 11:35:05 GMT -5
Guys, regardless of how the trigger may have gotten tripped I'd also like to apologize for what has taken place. And I feel awful that things have gotten so out of hand, and even overflowed to this board as well.
When I made this post on Doug's that got everyone worked up: Post by Yankee Bill on Dec 9, 2015 at 10:23pm
" After much thought, debate, talking to Builders, price consideration and weighing the pro's & con's of how each system would pertain to MY particular needs and style of hunting, I've decided to go with the Hankins Ignition System "H.I.S." for my Apex conversion.
I'm sure this will probably not sit well with some members of this board, and that's fine with me also, as I don't have a dog in the fight and prefer to reserve my "politicking" for the Poll Booth on election days.
Anyway, I just wanted to say thank you to ALL the folks here that offered up advice on the subject when I asked for it, regardless of whose camp you may be in. I found ALL the information to be extremely helpful in making the decision on what would best suite my needs.
I find great value in the wealth of information that is found and shared amongst our members here.
I look forward to receiving my gun when it is completed and all that the .45 Cal. has to offer.
YB "
My sincere intent of that post was to convey the fact that, regardless of anyone's personal feelings towards certain builders, I don't feel that the politics of such should ever factor into our discussions regarding SML. And that I was also grateful and appreciative for ALL the info the folk's provided to my questions prior to deciding to go with Jeff's system, regardless if some of it was in a negative light, as it all factored into helping me make my decision.
And in all honesty, had I not sensed such hostility by many there regarding Jeff's products, I would not have worded my post as I did, and was trying to limit the amount of negative feed back that may follow. Guess that didn't work out so well!
In hindsight, and had I known the full scope of the "situation" at the time I made the post, I certainly would have chosen my words more carefully. I have never been know as a " Pot Stirrer " on any board I've participated in, and would hope that will continue to be the case, as it was never my intent.
Again, I apologize for whatever role I may have had in having the pot boil over to the extent it has, and hope we can all just get back to using these boards for their intended purpose. There is a lot of "good" to be shared on both boards.
Thanks, YB
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Post by YankeeReb on Dec 12, 2015 11:50:38 GMT -5
Yankee bill well said but you have nothing to apologize for. Nyhunter I think I was accused of being a salesman too but all I said was good choice and then I noticed the thread shut down and the warning shortly after. (:
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Post by nyhunter on Dec 12, 2015 14:16:41 GMT -5
Hi Guys,
As YB referenced in his earlier post today it obviously was neither of our intentions to escalate the situation to the boiling point it currently is. Certainly evidenced by the fact we are both relatively new to the sites.
Judging from the response and the actions taken place at Doug’s to posts made by YB, YR and myself, I can clearly see that there were some “open wounds” and our post inadvertently poured salt on them.
I understand that there may be some bad blood between the sites and some underlining financial motivations at hand, however the following examples of how grown men can act towards one another is just plain RIDICULOUS
• Censor our posts for providing our honest options • Accuse individuals of being “salesmen for Jeff Hankins” • Locking Doug’s site to the general public • Go as far as posting on Doug’s : "NO MENTION OF HANKINS IS ALLOWED UNTIL 2016, IF YOU DO IT WILL BE DELETED AND IF YOU ARE A REPEAT OFFENDER YOU ARE GONE UNTIL 2016 ALSO!"
From what I see both sites have very talented individuals in their prospect trades along with members who offer a wealth of information on a common sport shared by passionate people just trying to enjoy themselves and help their fellow member in the sport they love.
In closing I think it’s just time to LIVE AND LET LIVE, DON’T SWEAT THE SMALL STUFF & ENJOY LIFE.
Stay Well
Charles
PS: Hope this is the end of this nonsense. I don't know about you, but I just want to shoot !!!
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