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Post by Richard on Jan 1, 2020 19:03:43 GMT -5
Some more playing with 8208 and 4895… Starting with a clean bore (mind you, that is one damp patch in and out on both side and one dry patch in and out on both sides --- If you want to call that clean?) My fouling load was the 300 grain Speer Deep Curl and 91 gr. of 8208 for an average velocity of 3,000 fps with a 14 fps ES and a 1.051 four shot group. (at 100 yards) The second group was the 353 AeroMax Hard Cores with 89 gr. of 8202, Three shots at 100 yards gave me 2863 fps with a 7 fps ES and a .478” group. Moving to 300 yards with the same charge I switched to the 350 AeroMax where five shots gave me 2883 fps with a 6 fps ES and three shots in .777” with all five in 1.639”. Staying with the 350 AeroMax I switched to 91 gr. of H-4895 for 2877 fps and a 19 fps ES. The five shot group was terrible at 2.183” Last week this same combination grouped 2.156” for five shots with a 22 fps ES. Switching back to 8208 at 91 gr. I dropped back to the 325 AeroMax for 2972 fps with a 20 fps ES but at 3 shot .593” and a five shot 1.480” My last group with 91 gr. of 8208 and the 300 gr. AeroMax gave 3008 fps with a 14 fps ES. It put one, two and three in .645 and all five in 2.324”. There was some left to right wind (which I was trying to monitor on my wind flag) but #4 might have “escaped” to open up the five shot group. As can be seen, IMR-8208 just seems to be working better with all three weight AeroMax bullets I shot.
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Post by jims on Jan 1, 2020 19:30:03 GMT -5
Good start to the new year.
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Post by itneverends22 on Jan 1, 2020 19:50:50 GMT -5
Good start to the new year. +1
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Post by 150class on Jan 1, 2020 20:15:26 GMT -5
We have grown to expect too much when we call 2.183" at 300 yards, terrible. Spectacular shooting.
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Post by Richard on Jan 1, 2020 23:11:35 GMT -5
As is the case, the more shots you put in a group, the larger they tend to get! There occasionally are exceptions...........like when the stars align! I was going to let group six go with just the first three at .645". I told my buddy Bill " I got a pretty decent one out there but I think I will "mess" it up and shoot a five shot group. If you look at my stat's, you will see that shot four was close to 40 fps faster than the first three. Why? Beats the Be-Jesus out of me?..........was it wind?.......more question marks but a good possibility as #5 more or less came back into the group. The rifle along with Kyle's bullets is definitely capable of averaging under an inch at 300 yards......but other things subsequently factor in.
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Post by hillbill on Jan 2, 2020 4:47:00 GMT -5
Good info Richard! Lots of guys are shooting the heavier bullets and that is a good comparison between the two powders.
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Post by Richard on Jan 2, 2020 9:45:56 GMT -5
I have been playing with a few different powders and combinations (duplex) there of, but I am close to pulling the pin on an eight pounder of 8208!. It looks like a winner with the 300, 325 and 350 gr. AeroMax's. It is very clean burning and capable of similar velocities produced with slower powders at a lesser grain weight.
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Post by olebud on Jan 2, 2020 10:03:48 GMT -5
Thanks again for the research Richard!!! 8208 looks pretty darn good to this ole country boy
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Post by 150class on Jan 2, 2020 10:10:30 GMT -5
How do the two powders compare for temp stability? Accuracy is of utmost importance, but so is a temp stable powder for many of us cold weather hunters.
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Post by Richard on Jan 2, 2020 14:08:47 GMT -5
I am afraid that is something you will need to research! I shoot from a heated room at our range all winter. I can say this, the very first shot in group #1 with the deep curl bullet was loaded on a barrel that had been in my truck all night and had been sticking out the window in 33* temperature prior to loading. As you can see, that shot came off at 2993 fps and the third shot at 2995 so I don't see it being a problem? I cannot attest to anything colder than that. I just looked up IMR XBR 8208 on the internet and found out a fact that I was not aware of.........and was plesently surprised at: It is SLOWER than H-4895! That could mean there is probably a lot more velocity to be gained......very interesting!
IMR 8208 XBR Load Data Available Online We interviewed Chris Hodgdon of Hodgdon Powder Co. and learned some important information about the IMR’s new 8208 XBR powder. First Chris confirmed that ADI (Australian Defense Industries Ltd.) is the manufacturer. The powder is a very small extruded powder, similar to H322 in kernel size. That means it packs densely in a case and meters well in manual powder measures. As to burn rate, Chris stated that IMR 8208 XBR is “a tad slower than H4895.” Chris confirmed that the powder’s distinctive qualities are temp stability in an ultra-wide temperature range and a very broad accuracy window. Chris said: “Jim Carmichael found he could go up and down [significantly] in his charge weight and the group size didn’t vary.”
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Post by jlowry on Jan 3, 2020 8:41:40 GMT -5
Good info and a new project for the post season!
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