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Post by herman on Aug 27, 2015 10:21:21 GMT -5
Had a post on the other board where the tez would shoot in my rem-pac and wouldn't shoot in my sav-pac. When first sizing the 250's I used lube and with just one pass through the die some were tight going down the barrel and some was good.So I ran them through the die 2 times each.And they fit the same each time. Then I found out that I didn't even have to use any lube on the 250's,just ran them through the die twice.Haven't sized any 290 yet without lube so don't know about them. Shooting the rem-pac and the 250 tez week before last I had a group of 1.625 at 300 yds (3 shots) Didn't shoot last week because I went down to our hunt club. This week tried a 3-shot group again at 300 and it went 1.923. So the 250's are going to shoot great and hope to try one on a nice buck this year. Have been using the 200 and 250 sst's for deer since the savage came out and have no problem with them just wanted to try the tez's. The load I was using with the 250 tez and the 250 sst's in my 45's is clays-7 gr under H4198-63 grs. Its the same load I had good results with the 290 tez's,and the 300sst's. Going to try another load next week to see how it shoots the 250 tez.
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Post by schunter on Aug 27, 2015 12:12:45 GMT -5
Thanks for the information Herman. I hope to see a hair test post with the 250TEZ. Good luck this season.
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Post by hillbill on Aug 27, 2015 20:39:47 GMT -5
the barnes are stone cold killers!
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Post by jims on Aug 27, 2015 20:45:46 GMT -5
I have been happy with Barnes bullets for deer.
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Post by Richard on Aug 28, 2015 16:28:59 GMT -5
Just be aware that if you get TEZ's from Carlos to check them. Herman and I got 200 of the 250's to split? (Herman had lent me 11 250's he had previously gotten so I had enough for the Challenge) So out of my 100, he took back his 11 bullets..........But out of the 89 alleged 250's, there were 12 that were 290's! These bullets sure look a lot alike so it would be easy stuff a 290 down your barrel when you thought it was a 250? Probably not disastrous but it could easily cause you to scratch your head when you look at the group?
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Post by Hank on Aug 28, 2015 16:36:22 GMT -5
How do you think they got mixed up.. Does barns ship bullets in bulk where the retailer counts them out or were the packaged from barns?
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Post by Richard on Aug 28, 2015 16:53:46 GMT -5
I sent Carlos a PM and he apologized and just said mistakes happen? Did not elaborate? Was going to send me replacements but I declined. So don't know if was on his end or Barnes. Hopefully now that he is aware it will not repeat itself?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 19:40:46 GMT -5
Richard is a polite and good man, so is Carlos, that's also becoming hard to come by. I've had dealings with both gentlemen and they are stand up guys. Sounds like a no foul no harm issue.
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Post by Richard on Aug 28, 2015 22:12:06 GMT -5
I dumped them out of the baggie Herman gave them to me in. I wanted to put them in another container and just happen to notice what looked like one longer bullet........which led to me laying all 89 out in a row and separating the "longer" ones.
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Post by herman on Aug 29, 2015 3:22:28 GMT -5
I just got around to checking mine and I had 11 that were 290's.No problem because I have 290's also. The shipping box had been through some tuff times getting from carlos and myself.I don't know wether they were all in one bag or not.The baggies were not torn open but from the ruff handling they had come open and about 95% of the bullets were loose in the box.I counted them out and put them back in the bagges. The 290's were hard for me to catch until Richard told me he had some 290 in with his.I had all ready sized 20 for next week incase I wanted to shoot some and I found 6 in with them.They were no harder to size then the 250 so I didn't catch it sizing them. Honest mistakes happen so no foul. Its a good thing we didn't order something more fragel,the post office would have been paying to replace it. Good deal on the bullets and Thanks Carlos.
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Post by Kyle on Aug 29, 2015 7:06:48 GMT -5
I weigh all of my bullets for this exact situation. If you are shooting a max pressure load with a 250 grain bullet and happen to shoot a 290 grain bullet with that same powder charge the outcome could be catastrophic. It would be no different than charging the muzzleloader with the wrong powder. Safety First!
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Post by Richard on Aug 29, 2015 13:37:34 GMT -5
Carlos probably needs to re-devise how he packages them, thats all.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Aug 29, 2015 16:46:18 GMT -5
Very easily could have ben a mixup by the stock person..any number of things could have happened. But that is exactly what.this board is about...Informing others of a possible problem or soloution... the sharing information Drop
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Post by hunter on Aug 30, 2015 7:51:48 GMT -5
I seriously doubt any bulk bullets will stay within .0005, and to have someone mic and sort them would likely double the price. I have seen 2.00 bullets vary that much between lots.
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Post by dannoboone on Aug 30, 2015 10:32:39 GMT -5
I don't think barnes that vary in diameter is any new thing. It has been talked about several times, their quality control sucks. dougva.proboards.com/thread/9570/275-xpb-anomaly Carlos is pretty much the contact here or salesman we will call him. You guys knew of Carlos from these forums but he works at a high volume gun shop and was able to buy 50 or 60 thousand bullets to get the cost way down for you. He did not build the bullets and I talked to him and he very likely did not pack your bullets for you either. So let's remember that people read these posts and Carlos doesn't need blackballed for mistakes that he likely didn't make yet he offered to correct. With order volumes like that, they're selling a LOT of bulk orders. The "one, 2, 3, 4....." counting method would be cost prohibitive, and they would be counting by weighing. Retail buyer gets them, examines them, finds they're off by a few hundred thousandths, and gets critical of Carlos?? Although I have found Hornady SST's to be exact on measurement on bearing surface from one end to the other, I have NEVER found that to be the case with many different Barnes bullets. Most are at least undersized, as well as different from one end of the bearing surface to the other. As much info that is out there about it, why is this news and why would anyone even remotely insinuate even a miniscule of blame on Carlos? There is NO law that says he has to give us this service. I would hate to lose it, and Barnes will NOT sell in bulk to an individual......I have tried.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 13:12:14 GMT -5
I deleted my posts and will refrain from posting on these subjects in the future. It appears as if this board is quickly becoming like the other one.
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Post by Hank on Aug 30, 2015 17:28:07 GMT -5
This board will not become like the other one. We are all here to tell our experiences,, getting two different weight bullets in the same shipment is something that needs discussed and a cause of the problem found. I sounds to me like the bullets might have got mixed up in the box during shipping. But if someone was to buy 50 thousand bullets I guess it is possible to have a few other bullets mixed in with the bunch. That would be barns lack of quality control. However it is important that we know what we get in our shipments. You wouldn't want to order a pound of 4198 and get a pound of 4350 in the wrong can.
I don't think that anyone was pointing the finger at Carlos. I have also had dealing with Carlos and he has always treated me 100% to my satisfaction. Richards original post was not pointing fingers but just letting people know that this mix up is out there. So lets not make this into more than it is..
One thing I know for sure and that is "You can't please everyone" Know matter how you word it, type it, or express it, someone will read it wrong... I for one want to know if there is a product mix up.
Now lets move on to bigger and better things.....
Thanks Jeff Hankins.
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Post by mgm40 on Aug 30, 2015 18:55:35 GMT -5
Let me put a end to all of this. First let me say that is was my fault and one else that the bullets were mixed, regardless of who packed them, it was my responsibility to check and make sure. I learned long time ago while in the military that you can delegate authority, but not responsibility, so that said. yes it was my fault. Now to address some thing that were brought up during all all of this. 1. This was brought and then deleted, but I will address it any way. we do not have control over Barnes bullets, or how they are sized, I can tell you from experience since I use them all the time that two bullets out of the same box will not measure the same, they might come close, and some times a bit off, but very few the same. I notice this when I run them thru the die, and one sizes easier than the other. I don't seat there with micrometer and check them, since once ran thru the die they will all measure the same just about, and shoot the same. As far as blem's go, the bullets we sell are all brand new, no blems. Barnes does not have blems, since if a bullet comes out messed up, it goes back in the melting pot, and re-used, which you can't do with jacket bullets. I'm bending any ones arm to buy bullets or anything else from us. If you do not feel comfortable buying any more from us, it is just fine. You can buy your blister packs from another retailer, but as far as the 75 count box, I can tell you will find any retailer carrying those, except one who I know who it is, but won't mention his name since I do not wan to drag him into this, and they cost 80.00 for 75. If you don't believe try finding one who carries in bulk, or even call Barnes and see if they sell you some, if they say yes, be prepare to buy around 30,000. 2. Some one else mention that this was a service which provide, an yes he was right. I really appreciated his comment, but that said, this is also a service we can refuse to any one at any time, and that is our prerogative, and right to do so. We sell around 40,000 a year, and mainly to regular ML shooters, which are our biggest customers, very few to SML shooters, even thought the bullets shoot great and perform great. 3. I have done business with some of you on this board, and I really appreciated. I have actions to some of you, but mainly bullets. However if yo do not feel comfortable buying the bullet from us, because of what happen, I understand, and don't blame you for it. 4. We buy bullets from every manufactured, and most of the time like specialty bullets for ML/SML we buy in bulk which in order to keep the cost down we get any where form 40 to 60 thousand at the time, just like the SST's 200 gr. we got in the other day which we got 60,000 of them. We keep them separate, an count them out as we need them. Do check them all, NO, I check make sure is what we order, and check a few for sizing, but that is it, an again we do not have control over their quality. When this started, and a it kept going on, I kind of felt frustrate,even thought I did offered to replace the bullets, but it got to the point where it really pis me off the point of just not selling any more to some members of this board, but I realized that it was being childish and stupid, and Rob who is my helper at the store king of calm me down. I hope this clear thing up, and put a end to this situation. I really appreciated your time, and will not bother you guys again on this board. CArlos
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Post by Richard on Aug 30, 2015 19:35:14 GMT -5
To everyone on this forum and on Doug's that reads this. I just posted the complete conversation I had (PM)(on Doug's) with Carlos. I was in no way looking to disrespect Carlos. This was an honest mistake and I just wanted people to be aware and check their bullets until such time as the problem is found and corrected. Lets face it, mistakes occur and Carlos was gracious enough to make good on mistake. So why not just drop it!! ug 28, 2015 at 5:32pm Quote Message Options Carlos................a week or so ago Herman from the board (Frank Owensby) bought us 200 of your 250 TEZ's. Out of my 100, there were 12 that were "290's"? Don't know how you might have gotten some mixed but just be aware. BTW, no hard feelings with you in regards to Cole. Richard mcgowen45 8 Pointer *** mcgowen45 Avatar Posts: 238 Aug 28, 2015 at 5:36pm Quote Message Options Richard< I apologize for the mistake, and sometimes it does happen. Send me you address, and I will get the bullets out to you ASAP. I have not hard feelings at all. No need to worry about it. Carlos Richard Mossy Horns ***** Richard Avatar Cavalier King Charles Spaniels Posts: 6,268 Member is Online Aug 28, 2015 at 5:47pm Quote Message Options Carlos, don't worry, I shoot both of them. I was more interested in you knowing so someone does not have a problem. Take care Richard Read more: dougsmessageboards.proboards.com/conversation/122536#ixzz3kLdgW7Iu
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